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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #255 on: April 09, 2014, 06:45:48 PM »
Sorry Zoney, gotta agree with Reaper.  Flying a tankbuster any more than... well honestly to town takes a long, long time.

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About as long as it takes to fly a 109k4 to an enemy base on grinder map.

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #256 on: April 09, 2014, 07:48:58 PM »
The best way to avoid this tank main-gun issue is to take up an Me 262 and come screaming in at about 10 ft altitude, 500 mph, and smash your 262 right into the side of the tank.  Then, you taunt the tank driver thusly:  "Ha!  You didn't stop that one with your main gun, did you, Mr. Tank?"  This is best done while wearing an expression of smug superiority.  Sure, it does nothing to the tank, but you have the satisfaction of having defied his main-gun prowess.  I hereby name this the "Brooke Maneuver" and highly recommend it to any others who wish to get the moral upper hand.   :aok

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #257 on: April 09, 2014, 07:54:16 PM »
The best way to avoid this tank main-gun issue is to take up an Me 262 and come screaming in at about 10 ft altitude, 500 mph, and smash your 262 right into the side of the tank.  Then, you taunt the tank driver thusly:  "Ha!  You didn't stop that one with your main gun, did you, Mr. Tank?"  This is best done while wearing an expression of smug superiority.  Sure, it does nothing to the tank, but you have the satisfaction of having defied his main-gun prowess.  I hereby name this the "Brooke Maneuver" and highly recommend it to any others who wish to get the moral upper hand.   :aok

You can't name that as your own, I've done that rucks of times :neener:
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #258 on: April 09, 2014, 07:58:48 PM »
You can't name that as your own, I've done that rucks of times :neener:

Drat.  I have been scooped.  Maybe the "Danny76 Maneuver"?  Do I owe royalties?

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #259 on: April 09, 2014, 08:04:17 PM »
Drat.  I have been scooped.  Maybe the "Danny76 Maneuver"?  Do I owe royalties?

Nah, keep it buddy, never did me any good, tried it in every other plane in the game with the same result too :bhead
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #260 on: April 09, 2014, 08:07:14 PM »
Nah, keep it buddy, never did me any good, tried it in every other plane in the game with the same result too :bhead

CC.  I will give proper tribute, though, in the future, typing "You've been Danny76ed!" upon completion of the maneuver.  :aok

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« Reply #261 on: April 09, 2014, 08:14:33 PM »
CC.  I will give proper tribute, though, in the future, typing "You've been Danny76ed!" upon completion of the maneuver.  :aok

Thou doth honour me greatly kind Sir. Would thou care to partake of a turnip, by way of remmittance? :rock
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #262 on: April 09, 2014, 10:26:18 PM »
The best way to avoid this tank main-gun issue is to take up an Me 262 and come screaming in at about 10 ft altitude, 500 mph, and smash your 262 right into the side of the tank.  Then, you taunt the tank driver thusly:  "Ha!  You didn't stop that one with your main gun, did you, Mr. Tank?"  This is best done while wearing an expression of smug superiority.  Sure, it does nothing to the tank, but you have the satisfaction of having defied his main-gun prowess.  I hereby name this the "Brooke Maneuver" and highly recommend it to any others who wish to get the moral upper hand.   :aok

I am gratified smugly. This new maneuver shall be just the thing for my Aces High outings, which I enjoy immensely when I'm not out fox hunting or playing the Grand Piano.

This should keep the riff-raff in line.

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #263 on: April 10, 2014, 06:03:47 AM »
I've been reading this thread since it started, and after some online and offline practice with the game's tankbusters I've reached a conclusion. And it's probably entirely wrong, but bear with me  :x .

Tankers want to be left alone. I've experienced this many times, as I was driving my purty Hetzer and got hit by a Lancaster's bomb which is probably bigger than my toy tank. But it's ok, I die much more often by the hand of another tank. It's rare enough to see a tank buster, but if he's attacking you can simply ping him to death with the AA mount (yes, most tanks have one of those!) or main gun him if he gets close enough to really hurt you. He won't see you until he's really close, but you can be tracking him with your turret as soon as he enters 6K.

About the GV killers:

Il-2: great against Panzers from the rear (and close), M3 and little else. You can bust some other tanks hitting engine compartment/turret from the top, but it's quite tricky in any substantial dive. Quite suicidal on a moving target.

Ju-87G: will bust most things from the side and rear if you shoot the armor at almost 90º and under 100y. With flaps it can turn a little, so it'll probably take a fighter two passes to kill you instead of one  :rofl . Don't chase a Jeep, they'll outrun you.

Me-410: yes, it's a dog. Yes, it handles like a pregnant whale. But it's got a big gun which can pierce a Panzer or any Sherman with a single shot to the side, and any other tank hitting the rear/top. It also can make 318mph on the deck carrying the Bk5, and has dive brakes which help a lot when attacking the top armor.


Is hitting an attacking airplane with your main gun gamey? Yes, totally. But it's done very often because players can exploit the commander position. Some tankers will argue that otherwise they're defenceless. Well, aren't all the attack planes I mentioned sitting ducks? They won't survive a minute without air cover. I personally think that we should keep the commander position, but players shouldn't be allowed to shoot from it. GVs already have reduced icon range, what else could they have? F3 and turn it into WoT?

If we want to kill tanks without resorting to bomb****ing, we have to get someone to make an effective air cover. And even then, nobody can protect a plane from a tank main gunning him. Why shouldn't tankers have to do the same? You're being attacked by a plane? Well, some of your 8 squadmates rushing the VB with Panzers just up a Wirbelwind and he'll be gone in a jiffy. Or, you know, use the AA mount. AA...what could it stand for? Anti-Aircraft? How silly, that's the name of the main gun!  :rofl


Those are my two cents. I think we shouldn't be able to shoot from the commander's position (it wasn't made for it), or we'll see more and more Lancasters carpet bombing from 1K feet. :old:

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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #264 on: April 10, 2014, 07:15:41 AM »
Il-2: great against Panzers from the rear (and close), M3 and little else. You can bust some other tanks hitting engine compartment/turret from the top, but it's quite tricky in any substantial dive. Quite suicidal on a moving target.

Ju-87G: will bust most things from the side and rear if you shoot the armor at almost 90º and under 100y. With flaps it can turn a little, so it'll probably take a fighter two passes to kill you instead of one  :rofl . Don't chase a Jeep, they'll outrun you.

Me-410: yes, it's a dog. Yes, it handles like a pregnant whale. But it's got a big gun which can pierce a Panzer or any Sherman with a single shot to the side, and any other tank hitting the rear/top. It also can make 318mph on the deck carrying the Bk5, and has dive brakes which help a lot when attacking the top armor.

No offense, but I think your experience in tankbusters is rather limited. You even left one out the Hurricane D while mentioning the Me 410 which actually ain't one ;)

The Il-2, Ju-87G and Hurri D, (the three truly dedicated tankbusters in game) can kill about any tank in game with a proper set up attack. Yes, with a bomb it's way easier but that's just the nature of the beast. But it's still possible, very much so. And while doing so, the pilot can stay almost completely out of the main gun arc of the tank he's attacking, and for a huge part even avoid pintle fire.  As I have stated earlier, I'm almost never shot down by tank main guns, and I am only rarely hit by pintle guns to a degree that I have to abort my attack (mostly just losing a part or two, like oil, a machine gun or a flap).

It is not easy to achieve success in a tankbuster, no doubt about that (again, if you want the easy way just drop a 1000lb bomb on GV's). But most deaths of TB's by tanks, and also the reason why the tanks don't die to the TB's fire are just cause by a single bad decision and impatience on the pilot's part.
It is very similar with fighters attacking bombers - Player spending 10 minutes to catch up with a bomber and then abstain from spending another 2 minutes setting up a proper attack ... instead they come in low and slow on the bomber's six and scream bloody murder about overmodeled buffs. after being blown out of the sky. You can see that day in, day out in the MA.

No matter if attacking bombers or tanks: Don't rush your attack unnecessarily! Assess the situation, decide on the best approach, set up your attack properly and then conduct it aggressively.

For giggles, I looked up my own anti tank stats of the past years:



Almost all of my recorded deaths by tanks are caused by faceplanting next to them, or hugging a tree.
Of course I don't claim that everybody will be that good (though undoubtedly some will actually be  much better than me), but I think it's shows quite well, that TB planes can kill tanks with good success and without being maingunned by them all the time


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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #265 on: April 10, 2014, 07:38:36 AM »

Of course I don't claim that everybody will be that good (though undoubtedly some will actually be  much better than me), but I think it's shows quite well, that TB planes can kill tanks with good success and without being maingunned by them all the time


I think those stats show an aversion to danger, were is the Ju 87 G2 you pansy?  :rofl or do you only fly them quivering offline? New challenge for Snailman, no more easymode tankbusters for the rest of this tour, the only thing you bust tanks in is a Ju 87 G2 at the end of the tour you come in here and post your results   :D

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« Reply #266 on: April 10, 2014, 07:43:36 AM »
I think those stats show an aversion to danger

As if you didn't know that already  :old:

, were is the Ju 87 G2 you pansy?  :rofl or do you only fly them quivering offline? New challenge for Snailman, no more easymode tankbusters for the rest of this tour, the only thing you bust tanks in is a Ju 87 G2 at the end of the tour you come in here and post your results   :D


Never liked that plane, and the constant linking of it with that name "Rudel" here on the boards doesn't help it much either   ;)

Gimme the HS 129 and we have a deal  :old:

And easymode Hurricane... In  the first three months of 2014 the HurriD had a K/D of 0.68 vs tanks,  the A-20 had 6.65. Sooo....  :P
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Re: tank main gun shooting planes down.
« Reply #267 on: April 10, 2014, 07:52:18 AM »
   Get rid of Icons for enemy tanks, problem solved.  :aok
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« Reply #268 on: April 10, 2014, 07:55:18 AM »
As if you didn't know that already  :old:


Never liked that plane, and the constant linking of it with that name "Rudel" here on the boards doesn't help it much either   ;)

And easymode Hurricane... In  the first three months of 2014 the HurriD had a K/D of 0.68 vs tanks,  the A-20 had 6.65. Sooo....  :P


You might as well print that stat page out and make a paper airplane with it and throw it out the window, it will then have surpassed you in the danger stakes  :old:

Easymode is relative to...well go fly the G2 and find out. I've said it before most seagulls will outperform a Stuka G2 its really bad with those 2 guns on it

I do find it incredible that you somehow think its wrong for you to fly a Stuka because of Rudel could you explain to me why that is.

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« Reply #269 on: April 10, 2014, 07:57:30 AM »
No offense, but I think your experience in tankbusters is rather limited. You even left one out the Hurricane D while mentioning the Me 410 which actually ain't one ;)

Yes, my experience in TB is rather limited, and I don't put as many hours in the game as I'd like to...I left out the Hurri IID because I've barely used it, on the other hand I've tested the 410 in a TB role, mostly offline. I'm going to test the hurri offline and see how well it fares! :salute
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