P38J P38L engines?

[Karnak]

Ah, but there are things besides control cables to be hit. And the aerodynamic and structural effects of having your airplane Swiss-cheesed. Lots of things that can ruin a fighter airplane for the fight or force it down that don't involve a wing falling off. Taken together, it begins to add up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTkqBae3gA

Sure, but by the time enough rounds to have really significant such effects on the massive Mossie wing have hit it, by AH model the wing would long since have departed the aircraft.

Concentrated fire is what you want, in both AH and WWII.  Wing guns were set to converge for a reason.

[BnZs]

Sure, but by the time enough rounds to have really significant such effects on the massive Mossie wing have hit it, by AH model the wing would long since have departed the aircraft.

Concentrated fire is what you want, in both AH and WWII.  Wing guns were set to converge for a reason.

But in WWII, effective concentration meant "Most rounds hitting the targeted plane" not "most rounds hitting the same two foot of wing-root (And if half your rounds are hitting what is labeled "outboard" wing, then you get halfway to a wingroot severed and halfway to an outboard section severed, which means you get squat.)" They flew with actual wind, turbulence, and other random factors, sans icons to tell range and didn't have hundreds or thousands of hours of gunnery practice at actual human flown airplanes under their belts, as most of us do. Yet they still brought down fighters with .50s and .303s.

[Karnak]

But in WWII, effective concentration meant "Most rounds hitting the targeted plane" not "most rounds hitting the same two foot of wing-root (And if half your rounds are hitting what is labeled "outboard" wing, then you get halfway to a wingroot severed and halfway to an outboard section severed, which means you get squat.)" They flew with actual wind, turbulence, and other random factors, sans icons to tell range and didn't have hundreds or thousands of hours of gunnery practice at actual human flown airplanes under their belts, as most of us do. Yet they still brought down fighters with .50s and .303s.

That is not what I observe in guncam footage.   While rounds are not focused in a 2x2 area, nor do I ever see a 109 or 190  being spackled from wingtip to wingtip   AH's contrated fire is also not in a 2x2 area, even from a 109, P-38 or Mossie's centerline mounted guns.

I think you are mistaken that hitting within a 54' area (a Mossie's wingspan) would be considered "concentrated fire". I also think you are over estimating the effectiveness of an individual .50 hit, or that you are comparatively underestimating the effectiveness of an individual 20mm hit.

[BnZs]

I also think you are over estimating the effectiveness of an individual .50 hit, or that you are comparatively underestimating the effectiveness of an individual 20mm hit.

Actually I think most players make something of the opposite mistake because of the in-game experience. Consider the curious case of the C-Hog-in real life a limited production run aimed primarily at ground attack. In game, it was such a revelation in air-to-air lethality and such an advantage over the regular 6 .50 hog that it led to the invention of the perk system. They could have put cannons in all planes *if* it had been as large an advantage in killing fighters as it is in AHII.

[Karnak]

Actually I think most players make something of the opposite mistake because of the in-game experience. Consider the curious case of the C-Hog-in real life a limited production run aimed primarily at ground attack. In game, it was such a revelation in air-to-air lethality and such an advantage over the regular 6 .50 hog that it led to the invention of the perk system. They could have put cannons in all planes *if* it had been as large an advantage in killing fighters as it is in AHII.

The US Navy had been trying to change to cannons.   Your comment here at is ignoring historical context.