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Offline Someguy63

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #150 on: May 15, 2014, 05:38:20 AM »
Quote from: Nimrod45 on May 15, 2014, 04:40:10 AM
I found this which I am sure most of you have already seen, but I enjoyed the read and think it is quite informative.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/

Makes good sense to me as well.  Considering the aces this aircraft produced it couldnt have been as bad as "popular history" claims.


Thanks for sharing!  :aok

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #151 on: May 15, 2014, 11:57:27 AM »
Quote from: Nimrod45 on May 15, 2014, 04:40:10 AM
I found this which I am sure most of you have already seen, but I enjoyed the read and think it is quite informative.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/

Makes good sense to me as well.  Considering the aces this aircraft produced it couldnt have been as bad as "popular history" claims.

Excellent link!  Thank you.  :aok
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #152 on: May 17, 2014, 04:00:23 AM »
I'm finding myself flying more and more the K-4, it's a real beast! After setting the convergence to 350 it's easier to score hits...sometimes  :P. Having a rudder would help a lot, but my aging X-52 is on its last legs  :cry.

By the way, didn't the K-4 carry gondolas and a bomb rack? I remember reading Galland's account of the G-10 being a better fighter, since its lack of gondolas made it more nimble. Or I could be entirely mistaken.

I probably am.

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #153 on: May 17, 2014, 04:19:04 AM »
I want to present you the greatest of all aviation abominations. What happens when you mix this ingredients, in a post-war dictatorship country where the latest fad is the autogyro?  :uhoh

Bf-109G airframe
Merlin 500/45
2 Hispanos
Rocket launchers
413mph
5577ft/min climb
33K ceiling

I present you...the Buchón!

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #154 on: May 18, 2014, 08:09:50 AM »
EW EW EW, kill it quick! ME no likey  :cry
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #155 on: May 18, 2014, 08:55:58 AM »
And if Dora and Gustaf had a child it would be this bastard...

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #156 on: May 18, 2014, 11:40:01 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 18, 2014, 08:55:58 AM
And if Dora and Gustaf had a child it would be this bastard...

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Oh geez!  :lol
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #157 on: May 19, 2014, 07:24:15 AM »
They're all sexy :aok



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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #158 on: July 16, 2014, 12:32:12 PM »
just getting around to reading that article now Nimrod.

Did you happen to notice this: Me 109 D:
"The longer one is at the flying business, the more firmly convinced he becomes that he knows very little about it. I must say, however, the Messerschmitt Me109 is the finest airplane I have ever flown.
Along with its delightful flight characteristics, the visibility in this Messerschmitt is all that a fighter pilot could reasonably ask. There are a great many single-seater fighters in the world that I have not flown, but I had formed my opinion of the flight characteristics of the Messerschmitt after studying it on the ground and before flying it. And those estimates were confirmed in flight. I had made my own estimates of the performance and maneuverability characteristics of a lot of other single-seater fighters, and I'd be willing to wager that none of them represent the general, all-around flight and fighting characteristics possessed by the Me109."
- US Marine Corps major Al Williams. Source: Bf 109D test flight, 1938. [/u][/color]

A Dora in '38  :headscratch:

edit: ehhhh nevermind, my brain not working...

« Last Edit: July 16, 2014, 12:51:39 PM by RotBaron »
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #159 on: July 16, 2014, 05:30:18 PM »
 A dead 109  :)
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #160 on: July 16, 2014, 07:02:39 PM »
One thing 109G-series should be able do, but don't in  AH: they had higher terminal speed than the P51d (not B), many American pilots confirmed  the bubble canopy disturbed airflow, and made the plane so unstable they had to break off, before they could catch a 109G.


Another note : the flaps deployment speed of the 109G is much higher than in AH.

One story was when the Finnish 109G pilot (Edvald Estama) pulled out of a 950km/h dive using flaps to be able to pull out of a dive ( since it does not have steps, like in AH).

The 10% flaps could be deployed beyond 500km/h and 20% at 450km/h

Here is a link to the flaps chart for the 109G6 :

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/2274853909_9421e9bf85_o.jpg
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #161 on: July 16, 2014, 07:33:00 PM »
G6 is by far my favourite, after that it's the G2
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #162 on: July 17, 2014, 03:19:57 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 18, 2014, 08:55:58 AM
And if Dora and Gustaf had a child it would be this bastard...

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What is that?
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #163 on: July 17, 2014, 04:41:57 AM »
Quote from: RotBaron on July 17, 2014, 03:19:57 AM
What is that?
Avia S-199 " for use during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Czechoslovak pilots nicknamed it Mezek ("Mule"), while in Israel it was officially known as the Sakeen ("knife" in Hebrew). In practice, the aircraft was more often called Messerschmitt or Messer (which also means "knife", in German and Yiddish)"
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #164 on: July 17, 2014, 12:51:46 PM »
Not sure if this has been posted before, https://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/

4568 photos, mostly of 109s

also some interesting photos of construction
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