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Offline jeep00

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2014, 03:55:19 PM »
We would have to wear leather shorts and eat big sausages :cry

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2014, 09:34:51 PM »
all I see is my grandma perhaps telling me how her cousins with blond hair and beautiful blue eyes would have been married and have kids instead of being mia when the german army called them up when they grew up in mexico.   or my other grandma about how her oldest son who moved to the united states looking for work didnt get a letter that he had been drafter and was going to a place called europe.


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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2014, 09:50:18 PM »
There's not very much to say France wouldn't have been humiliated at the hands of Germany similar to the way it happened vice-versa and a similar situation could've resulted.
WWI would have resulted either way, Europe was a powder keg at the beginning of the 20th century. Similarly, honestly which ever side would've lost probably would have had a totalitarian demagogue come to power. It happened in Germany and it happened in Russia.

It even happened in Italy, and they not only won, but got a lot of concessions that they wanted.
It happened in Spain, and they were neutral.
Japan even got a more hostile, militarist government resulting from the first world war, and they won as well.

Inter-war Europe was also rife for extreme political movements that were inevitably going to be very aggressive toward each other.

I honestly think that the path of the Europe in the first half of the twentieth century was practically set in stone.

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2014, 10:03:03 PM »
  I have to admit I know much more about ww2 than ww1. This exert ( if accurate) is about the causes of ww1 and interesting it states Japan and Britain had an alliance? Never knew Japans role in ww1. I guess all these nations were positioning themselves to control resources.

Over time, countries throughout Europe made mutual defense agreements that would pull them into battle. Thus, if one country was attacked, allied countries were bound to defend them. Before World War 1, the following alliances existed:
•Russia and Serbia
•Germany and Austria-Hungary
•France and Russia
•Britain and France and Belgium
•Japan and Britain
Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Russia got involved to defend Serbia. Germany seeing Russia mobilizing, declared war on Russia. France was then drawn in against Germany and Austria-Hungary. Germany attacked France through Belgium pulling Britain into war. Then Japan entered the war. Later, Italy and the United States would enter on the side of the allies.

WWI was a mess politically. Italy was originally aligned with the central powers as well, it took a lot of politicking to for them to declare war on Austria-Hungary.
It's kind of interesting how under-appreciated that front was, at least in the US. Something like 1.5-2 million people died. More Italians died in the First Wold War than Americans in both world wars combined.

It took a while for the Central Powers to get the Ottoman Empire in on the whole thing too

And then there's the Zimmerman Telegraph

And then of course there's the fact that Kaiser Wilhelm II, Czar Nicholas II, and King George V were all first cousins

It was a crazy time

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2014, 10:06:29 PM »
Russia was already on the road to revolution before WW1.  The war only sped it up in my opinion. 

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2014, 12:36:57 AM »

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=9779

Sorry.  I would not have wanted these people in charge.

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Very interesting article Oldman. Seems like the precursor of the barbaric things to come in WWII.

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2014, 02:46:59 AM »
We would have to wear leather shorts and eat big sausages :cry

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2014, 05:26:06 AM »
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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2014, 05:51:50 AM »
I have been listening to Dan Carlins new podcast about WWI....I love this description of the German army marching thru Belgium at the start of the hostilities...gives me chills (to hear Carlin read it is even better)

  Richard Harding Davis, American newspaper man staying in the upper floors of a hotel in Brussels:

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"The entrance of the German army into Brussels has lost the human quality. It was lost as soon as the three soldiers who led the army bicycled into the Boulevard du Régent and asked the way to the Gare du Nord. When they passed, the human note passed with them. What came after them, and twenty-four hours later is still coming, is not men marching, but a force of nature like a tidal wave, an avalanche or a river flooding its banks. At this minute it is rolling through Brussels as the swollen waters of the Conemaugh Valley swept through Johnstown.
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At the sight of the first few regiments of the enemy we were thrilled with interest. After they had passed for three hours in one unbroken steel-gray column were bored. But when hour after hour passed and there was no halt, no breathing time, no open spaces in the ranks, the thing became uncanny, inhuman. You returned to watch it, fascinated. It held the mystery and menace of fog rolling toward you across the sea.

The gray of the uniforms worn by both officers and men helped this air of mystery. Only the sharpest eye could detect among the thousands that passed the slightest difference. All moved under a cloak of in visibility. Only after the most numerous and severe tests, with all materials and combinations of color that give forth no color, could this gray have been discovered. That it was selected to clothe and disguise the German when he fights is typical of the German Staff in striving for efficiency to leave nothing to chance, to neglect no detail.

After you have seen this service uniform under conditions entirely opposite you are convinced that for the German soldier it is his strongest weapon. Even the most expert marksman cannot hit the target unless he can see. It is a gray-green, not the blue-gray of our Confederates. It is the gray of the hour just before daybreak, the gray of unpolished steel, of mist among green trees.

I saw it first in the Grand Place in front of the Hotel de Ville. It was impossible to tell if in that noble square there was a regiment or a brigade. You saw only a fog that melted into the stones, blended with the ancient house fronts, that shifted and drifted, but left you nothing at which you could point.

Later, as the army passed below my window, under the trees of the Botanical Park, it merged and was lost against the green leaves. It is no exaggeration to say that at a hundred yards you can see the horses on which the Uhlans ride, but cannot see the men who ride them.

If I appear to overemphasize this disguising uniform it is because of all the details of the German out fit it appealed to me as one of the most remarkable. The other day, when I was with the rear guard of the French Dragoons and Cuirassiers and they threw out pickets, we could distinguish them against the yellow wheat or green gorse at half a mile, while these men passing in the street, when they have reached the next crossing, become merged into the gray of the paving stones and the earth swallows them. In comparison the yellow khaki of our own American Army is about as invisible as the flag of Spain.

Yesterday Major General von Jarotsky, the German Military Governor of Brussels, assured Burgomaster Max that the German army would not occupy the city, but would pass through it. It is still passing. I have followed in campaigns six armies, but excepting not even our own, the Japanese or the British, 1 have not seen one so thoroughly equipped. I am not speaking of the fighting qualities of any army, only of the equipment and organization. The German army moved into this city as smoothly and as compactly as an Empire State Express. There were no halts, no open place, no stragglers.

This army has been on active service three weeks, and so far there is not apparently a chin-strap or a horseshoe missing. It came in with the smoke pouring from cookstoves on wheels, and in an hour had set up post office wagons, from which mounted messengers galloped along the line of column distributing letters and at which soldiers posted picture post-cards.

The infantry came in in files of five, two hundred men to each company; the lancers in columns of four, with not a pennant missing. The quick-firing guns and field pieces were one hour at a time in passing, each gun with its caisson and ammunition wagon taking twenty seconds in which to pass.

The men of the infantry sang "Fatherland, My Fatherland." Between each line of song they took three steps. At times two thousand men were singing together in absolute rhythm and beat. When the, melody gave way the silence was broken only by the stamp of ironshod boots, and then again the song rose. When the singing ceased the bands played marches. They were followed by the rumbles of siege guns, the creaking of wheels and of chains clanking against the cobble-stones and the sharp bell-like voices of the bugles.

For seven hours the army passed in such solid column that not once might a taxicab or trolley car pass through the city. Like a river of steel it flowed, gray and ghostlike. Then, as dusk came and a thousands of horses' hoofs and thousands of iron boots continued to tramp forward, they struck tiny sparks from the stones, but the horses and men who beat out the sparks were invisible.

At midnight pack wagons and siege guns were still passing. At seven this morning I was awakened by the tramp of men and bands playing jauntily. Whether they marched all day or not I do not know; but for twenty six hours the gray army rumbled with the mystery of fog and the pertinacity of a steam roller."   <end quote>








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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2014, 08:44:17 AM »
  ^^^^  Great read it vividly describes the event. The Germans knew how to win Battles but not how to win wars.
I always wanted to fight an impossible battle against incredible odds.

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Re: So what if the Germans did win WW1
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2014, 02:05:07 PM »
Just watched BBC program about Nazis :old:

Good bit when British soldiers catch up with Rudolf Hoss and give the animal a leathering :rofl

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