44-1 Fuel

[Randy1]

The late war arena should have the 44-1 fuel for the British and American planes that test reports are available.

That is all.

[HighTone]

We already have it, but it's only available on the rearm pad. You just have to park you plane on there and hit alt+f4 

[bustr]

Randy,

Do a forum search for 150 octane. Then go back to the performance web site and look up the most recently released data sheets comparing the K4 versus Spit14 on 150oct. Look at the data sheets for P51B\D on 150oct and the K4 data from the XIV comparison. I suspect the game from a playability standpoint would be destabilized.

At 21lb boost and 70-75Hg, even with 150oct being what the XIV and P51D used over the continent from 44 on. Our luft fans would probably leave the game. And forget trying to play in the MA any other way than would be dictated by the P51D weenies, who many of them fly it so they don't have to fight.

D9 1.8 ata
K4 1.8 ata
XIV 21lb
P51D 75Hg

Fighter--SL-- Alt 410mph
D9-----377-- 11,000
K4-----366-- 12,500
XIV----377--   8,500
P51D--398--   2,500

It's obvious why 150oct as a war evolutionary point of view to destroy the enemy. From a game stabilization point of view, we are limited to the octane used at the factory on the first production delivery date of each given model. Or if Hitech perks it. Do you want the P51D perked? We would probably loose players over that.

[Karnak]

I want it for my Mossie VI.  Not anything else.  Not even other Mossie VIs, just mine.  

~375mph on the deck in a fighter with four centerline Hispanos sounds fun.

[guncrasher]

is that fuel leaded or unleaded?



semp

[Drane]

is that fuel leaded or unleaded?

   leaded of course 

[moot]

I want it for my Mossie VI.  Not anything else.  Not even other Mossie VIs, just mine.  

~375mph on the deck in a fighter with four centerline Hispanos sounds fun.

Single seater 410 as fielded at squadron strength.

[Randy1]

Bustr, I can't argue with your thoughts on tossing the MA into controversy albeit planes like the P38L suffer in AH because of that .  The L's motor was rated at 3200 RPM with its new crankshaft weights on standard fuel and even that is not modeled in.


The first Ls would be delivered to operational bases with the 44-1 fuel already in place so they would be put into service with the higher pressure and 3200 RPM I would think.  I may be wrong on the time line on the L and the 44-1 fuel.  It gets confusing.

[Karnak]

Single seater 410 as fielded at squadron strength.

Sure.  Mind you, it'd be a free kill for a Mossie or P-38 still.

[moot]

Yeah, but at least I/we'd feel like we had a chance.

[Saxman]

I wouldn't see a problem with having different fuel types, or even alternate (DOCUMENTED) power settings, IF there was a perk on it.

So a P-51D with the standard fuel type would be free, but taking 150 fuel would add a perk cost to it.

[moot]

Yeah we had this discussion, and also about perk ordnance.  Is HTC reading this?
If the chog is perked, what reasons (an honest question suggested for debate) are there for a 150 octane 51-D not being analogous?

[Karnak]

I wouldn't see a problem with having different fuel types, or even alternate (DOCUMENTED) power settings, IF there was a perk on it.

So a P-51D with the standard fuel type would be free, but taking 150 fuel would add a perk cost to it.

I actually would have an issue with it.  It would put hidden landmines in play.  "Am I facing a normal, just very, very good Spit XVI, or am I facing a super Spit XVI? Well, best just assume every Spit XVI is running at +25lbs boost and that every P-51D can't be caught."

The existence of the boosted versions of certain aircraft would significantly affect how all versions of those aircraft were handled in game.

Basically,  the existence of a boosted P-51D creates an advantage for all P-51Ds by making the decision to pursue much more questionable.

[Randy1]

I can see the problem as Bustr pointed out but the coin does have two sides.  If the 44-1 fuel is not used then neuter or perk those non American-British planes put into service after the use of 44-1 if there is any other than the 262 and 163. Kind of fair play since a major technology has been discounted.

[save]

From mid -1944 on estimated 85% of all German pilots where noob's.

Should we also model that so 2-weekers only can fly 109g6 and 190a8's, and Allied pilots can fly 150 octane fuel planes with 5-8:1 in numbers ?

I seldom fly anything lower than ENY 15, mostly ENY 20-30, but what would be the point of fighting when the cruise speed of a 150 octane 51D will overtake a Bf109G6 on WEP.