New 2015 mustang looks like a aston martin wannabe

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'85 was the last year of the Holley 4 barrel. I had a brand new GT in '85. It would run like hell tho nothing like todays modern engines.

I cant go into Ford dealerships. Im afraid I'll see a Pony car and do something stupid. My '66 was my favorite, my High School car. Gawd the girls loved it and I learned back seat Yoga in it.

 that motorcraft holly sucked hairy mooseballs. i got almost a full second in the 1/4 by doing nothing other than swapping a real holley in place of the one on my 83.

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tyhe z28 isn'tr in the picture. the shelby is direct competition the zl1. both of these cars can be had for less than $70k. the z28 is limited production. it's got NUTHIN. a/c is a $1100 option. single speaker radio. no power anything. carbon brakes(which i believe remove it from most street car classes). i think(i could be wrong)costs well over $70k. add to that that due to the limited production, they'll probably be fetching over $90k.

 that all said.....it is an AWESOME car. maybe we'll get lucky, and ford'll put something out there to beat that one too. actually......wonder how the fr500 compares to it.

One word -  Cobrajet!  There is one at the dealer I bought my Shelby... and they are only askign $112K

[olds442]

tyhe z28 isn'tr in the picture. the shelby is direct competition the zl1. both of these cars can be had for less than $70k. the z28 is limited production. it's got NUTHIN. a/c is a $1100 option. single speaker radio. no power anything. carbon brakes(which i believe remove it from most street car classes). i think(i could be wrong)costs well over $70k. add to that that due to the limited production, they'll probably be fetching over $90k.

 that all said.....it is an AWESOME car. maybe we'll get lucky, and ford'll put something out there to beat that one too. actually......wonder how the fr500 compares to it.

Actually

75k is "well over" 70k?

And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)

Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.

Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.


And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.

Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper

[skorpx1]

Actually

75k is "well over" 70k?

And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)

Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.

Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.


And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.

Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper

Lets just focus on the GT500 and the C7 Stingray.


2014 C7 Stingray has 460HP at the crank and 455 ft/lb of torque.
2014 GT500 has 662HP at the crank and 631 ft/lb of torque.


Tell me, which one is more powerful? For the price, the GT500 has more HP and torque and is only 2,000 more expensive. Not too bad if you've got the money for it.

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Actually

75k is "well over" 70k?

And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)

Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.

Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.


And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.

Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper

Maybe a better comparison would a Mustang Boss 302 or the new GT350 against the Z28?

The Cobrajet is a factory built dragstrip ready car.  9 second car for that matter.  What other manufacturer is doing that?

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Actually

75k is "well over" 70k?

And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)

Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.

Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.


And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.

Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper

 can't compare the gt40 to the camaro....that's like comparing the vette to the shelby. the z28 will NOT touch the cobrajet. the only thing close is the copo, but they're a couple tenths off the mark.

 chevy built the 28 for the sole purpose of beating the shelby. ford's got nuthin for it. yet. we'll see if they wanna try.

 a 55k vette isn't one of the really good ones. unless ya buy used. still a different car. i love vettes.....but i won't buy one ever, for the sole reason that they're a pain in the bellybutton to get in/out of. plus if i bought a vette, i'd want the hot one, which would be the zr1.....and how much are they new again?

 i know what the shelbys start at. for that money, you get a car that will not be touched by anything in its class/price range, and it's gorgeous. but then, just as i mentioned that the 28's will probably fetch nearly 100k due to them being limited production.....shelbys seem to fetch about 10-15k over their list. there's a guy i deal with around here has one. he paid 73k for his. and he loves it.

 so......if you wanna do apple to apple, then gt vs lt(or is it ls?) camaro. boss302 vs one of them(i dunno which one they'd compare the boss to), and shelby to zl1. the z28 can't be compared to any of these, either ford or chevy, due to the fact it's stripped down, and limited. if ya wanna do apple to orange, then we'll start lookin' at the 7 second street shelbys, or the 8.9 second gt that trailered a purpose built camaro last year in atcos mustang vs camaro weekend.  

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Lets just focus on the GT500 and the C7 Stingray.


2014 C7 Stingray has 460HP at the crank and 455 ft/lb of torque.
2014 GT500 has 662HP at the crank and 631 ft/lb of torque.


Tell me, which one is more powerful? For the price, the GT500 has more HP and torque and is only 2,000 more expensive. Not too bad if you've got the money for it.

 the c7 will eat the shelby for lunch.

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Maybe a better comparison would a Mustang Boss 302 or the new GT350 against the Z28?

The Cobrajet is a factory built dragstrip ready car.  9 second car for that matter.  What other manufacturer is doing that?

chevy's building a copo camaro.

 i havent found anything juicy on the new gt350 yet.

[TheCrazyOrange]

Chevy needs to get their toejam together, reduce the smug from all the fords.

[olds442]

can't compare the gt40 to the camaro....that's like comparing the vette to the shelby. the z28 will NOT touch the cobrajet. the only thing close is the copo, but they're a couple tenths off the mark.

 chevy built the 28 for the sole purpose of beating the shelby. ford's got nuthin for it. yet. we'll see if they wanna try.

 a 55k vette isn't one of the really good ones. unless ya buy used. still a different car. i love vettes.....but i won't buy one ever, for the sole reason that they're a pain in the bellybutton to get in/out of. plus if i bought a vette, i'd want the hot one, which would be the zr1.....and how much are they new again?

 i know what the shelbys start at. for that money, you get a car that will not be touched by anything in its class/price range, and it's gorgeous. but then, just as i mentioned that the 28's will probably fetch nearly 100k due to them being limited production.....shelbys seem to fetch about 10-15k over their list. there's a guy i deal with around here has one. he paid 73k for his. and he loves it.

 so......if you wanna do apple to apple, then gt vs lt(or is it ls?) camaro. boss302 vs one of them(i dunno which one they'd compare the boss to), and shelby to zl1. the z28 can't be compared to any of these, either ford or chevy, due to the fact it's stripped down, and limited. if ya wanna do apple to orange, then we'll start lookin' at the 7 second street shelbys, or the 8.9 second gt that trailered a purpose built camaro last year in atcos mustang vs camaro weekend.  

I sense straight line syndrome.

[CAP1]

I sense straight line syndrome.

welll....with the shelby and gt i mentioned at the end there,,,,,,yea, 'cause a street car that still has all the goodies, that you really can drive every day any weather is something special. that said...........shelby vs its direct rival..........depends on the track. track with some straights, shelby. track with no real straights......zl.  that's why the shelby was nearly 3 seconds faster than the zl on nurburg. it had plenty of time to stretch those long legs, and was able to do "good enough" in the corners to basically hold that lead.

 me? i will never own either of em. i'm a broke bellybutton bastage. i'm perfectly happy with my gt, and happy with the knowledge that nothing in its price range will touch it.

[eagl]

me? i will never own either of em. i'm a broke bellybutton bastage. i'm perfectly happy with my gt, and happy with the knowledge that nothing in its price range will touch it.

Price...  Heh.  I'm still tickled that my G8 (4-door Camaro aka holden commodore) left the lot for under $30k brand new.  I could literally throw away the 361hp L76 and drop just about any crate motor in there for less overall than it would cost to buy anything comparable new.  It's actually a small trend for the G8 GT owners if they lose their motor out of powertrain warranty, they just drop a crate performance LS3 in there for $10k or less, which resets the GM powerplant warranty on an easily modded motor putting out well over 400hp straight from the crate.

One guy even had the dealer do it...  He had his lifters fail badly, causing somewhere in the vicinity of $4k damage to the motor.  He cut a deal with the dealer and for a flat $10k the dealer procured and installed a GM performance LS3 and warranteed both the motor and the installation as if it was a stock replacement.  The only difference was that he got a 3 year powerplant warranty instead of 5 because it was a performance version of the LS3, not the basic LS3.  A waste of money?  This guy is pushing 500hp in a comfy 4-door Camaro for under $45k.

Aaaannnnnd getting to the point... the discussion so far has not touched on the fact that some models are far easier than others to bump up in performance at minimal cost.  For example, you can take almost any of the Camaros and drastically improve dragstrip performance with a few grand worth of bolt-ons, suddenly challenging mustangs that originally cost far more.  The only thing, I have never heard any reports that there is any amount of aftermarket cash you can throw at a mustang that will make it turn worth a darn   If you want a mustang to turn, you gotta buy a very specific and expensive track version.  So...  buy a car that turns and can go straight with a few mods, or buy a car that goes straight really well but won't turn no matter what you do to it...  At that point it comes down to styling I guess.

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Price...  Heh.  I'm still tickled that my G8 (4-door Camaro aka holden commodore) left the lot for under $30k brand new.  I could literally throw away the 361hp L76 and drop just about any crate motor in there for less overall than it would cost to buy anything comparable new.  It's actually a small trend for the G8 GT owners if they lose their motor out of powertrain warranty, they just drop a crate performance LS3 in there for $10k or less, which resets the GM powerplant warranty on an easily modded motor putting out well over 400hp straight from the crate.

One guy even had the dealer do it...  He had his lifters fail badly, causing somewhere in the vicinity of $4k damage to the motor.  He cut a deal with the dealer and for a flat $10k the dealer procured and installed a GM performance LS3 and warranteed both the motor and the installation as if it was a stock replacement.  The only difference was that he got a 3 year powerplant warranty instead of 5 because it was a performance version of the LS3, not the basic LS3.  A waste of money?  This guy is pushing 500hp in a comfy 4-door Camaro for under $45k.

Aaaannnnnd getting to the point... the discussion so far has not touched on the fact that some models are far easier than others to bump up in performance at minimal cost.  For example, you can take almost any of the Camaros and drastically improve dragstrip performance with a few grand worth of bolt-ons, suddenly challenging mustangs that originally cost far more.  The only thing, I have never heard any reports that there is any amount of aftermarket cash you can throw at a mustang that will make it turn worth a darn   If you want a mustang to turn, you gotta buy a very specific and expensive track version.  So...  buy a car that turns and can go straight with a few mods, or buy a car that goes straight really well but won't turn no matter what you do to it...  At that point it comes down to styling I guess.

 if you haven't driven one of the new mustangs, you should. they turn. very nicely. like they're on rails. shocked the $#%$ outta me too.

 as for modifying a camaro for a few grand to chase a shelby? you can modify a gt for a few grand, and hammer a zl.  remember....stock gt's run anywhere from 12.5's to 12.9's. with the simple addition of a blower on that coyote, you're in the 11's.

 the guys dropping crate motors? that's eXACTLY what i'd do too. for the cost of a crate motor, it just isn't worth it to put a stock replacement into a performance car. hell....i dunno the cost of gm's crate motors, but you can get a roadrunner 5 liter for less than $10k.

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I'm a little surprised by the vocal complaints about the return of the turbo 4 option.  The old fox body turbo 4 was either loved or despised depending on who you asked, but the fact is that the motor was fun to wind up and the reduced weight up front made it a nicer driving car in many ways.  I can't see a modern incarnation of that concept being so terrible to deserve the venom being aimed in its direction.  Certainly a peppy and responsive turbo would give a stripped down mustang a LOT more character than almost any warmed-over V6 base model.  Something to generate some buzz for sure, and as long as it isn't a mechanical disaster it ought to help sales.

Didn't see any venom, just opinions that 4 cylinders don't mesh with the Mustang's persona.  The V-8 is part of the visceral appeal.  You can get some decent low end torque out of some of the small turbo motors but which one sounds or feels like a V-8?  Given equal power outputs, would you prefer a turbo 4 or a V-12  in your Ferrari?  It's not just about the HP.

[SilverZ06]

Fear not,  

The Mustang survived this:

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It can survive anything...

Blasphemy! The four eyed notches were/are sex on wheels