Is Honor all Gone?

[Gard06]

BUSHlt1-  ET I was on bish side and that big dar bar was all that bish could talk about.  salute

BUSHLT1,  how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic?  Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way!   The dar bar argument would not not show us on a heading  or altitude.  Our flight was nowhere near a direct line with any base and not over water for a eny cv to see us.   Our flight was inbound to a IP point the was parallel to the target.   Big darbar argument can be great for some explanations, but not this time.  I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience.  The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!

So I will up my Shade account today and hope HTC does something about this and announce flakhapppy, and Jazzi whereabouts on 200 at all times.  Or maybe, just let our squad start hunting them.  Then again, I don't need a new shade account.   Let start identifying those who do.

[Zerstorer]

 

They are everywhere....honorless scum...they don't fight fair...it is..the end...of EVERYTHING!!!!






 
 
   

[Scherf]

Romulans?

That's funny.  Everybody funny.  Now Earl funny too.

And out the do' I went...

The number of times I've rumbled big raids by heading towards dar bars, found goons by simply going where I'd go if I were the goon...

Bond, Scherf Bond.

[guncrasher]

I discovered this game about 4 years ago, as best as this old mind can remember. I do remember meeting almost within an hour a man named "Oddcaf"!! Very nice guy and he took me under his wing and showed me some of the things about this game to cut down on learning curve. We decided, mostly him, decided to start a squad, the "Ronan" I think. Nothing was ever said about trying to get an advantage, we just took off as a squad and hunted the "red" dar bars, dove in and took some and gave some licks!
I was terribly disappoint last night in MA! I had ran 2 or 3 missions, then we got to talking about a high altitude, old time 8th AF mission on VOX, so again, I posted up the mission with about 7 bomber and 6 fighter pilots joining in. I announced to the fighters that the bombers would be at flight level 220 and proceeded to climb out, heading on purpose to a sector which was not in line with any base in it. Trying to throw off anyone's thinking when they saw the dar, yes, but the guys were all talking about something else.
A flight of 4 262's came straight to us, just like we had announced on the other countries channel vox, where we would be. Normally I run missions at 14K or less, with the bombers, to promote interception and fights and we generally all have a great time! But this time we decided to go to 22K and see what would happened. You know the rest of this story, we did manage to kill a couple of 262's, but they took down almost all of the bombers, including me.
I know guys, you are going to holler about the dar bars and etc, but it was pretty clear what had happened last night! What is wrong with playing the game the way it was designed, with honor and integrity? Is it so important to get your name in the "lights" that you discard your honesty and integrity?
I wish there was a good answer for this situation, but there isn't, but that is one thing that is hurting the game and losing players!

ET37
94th Bomb Group
"Devil Dogs"

this is what I saw on your mission:

-first, there was an attempt at a near base the town was white flaged and a bunched of us upped ready to defend it.  we saw the large dar growing.  including the cv we had nearby we all easily found out that the other base was gonna be the target.

-second mistake was that you guys had a fighter about 10 minutes in front of your bomber group.  we saw him on dar.

-3rd your fighter escort made a 1/2 attemp to actually escort you guys.

-4th perhaps the 262 were already in the air to head to the first furball.  about 15 or 20 of us augered from the first furball to stop you guys.

-I killed the goon just because he was on dar for about 2 seconds then disappeared.

sometimes spies are just a bunch of drunk guys that actually look at the dar and say "hey look, a bunch of red cons, let's bail out and kill them".


semp

[BaldEagl]

BUSHLT1,  how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic?  Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way!   The dar bar argument would not not show us on a heading  or altitude.  Our flight was nowhere near a direct line with any base and not over water for a eny cv to see us.   Our flight was inbound to a IP point the was parallel to the target.   Big darbar argument can be great for some explanations, but not this time.  I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience.  The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!

First of all were the two friendly dar rings they flew over on the way to the sector with the (supposed) big darbar in it?  If so and they were hunting that darbar why would they divert en route?

Secondly maybe they spotted your dots before you spotted theirs.  If that's the case would you expect them to be on anything other than a straight line toward you when you finally spotted them?

I wasn't there and I don't condone spying but the problem I see with players today is it's always some nefarious act by someone else so it's never their fault.  That way you get to retain the illusion of your own greatness in the game whether it's true or not (but the ones it's true for never start these types of posts or make these types of accusations).

[Gman]

I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience.

    

[Masherbrum]

BUSHLT1,  how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic?  Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way!   I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience.  The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!

So I will up my Shade account today and hope HTC does something about this and announce flakhapppy, and Jazzi whereabouts on 200 at all times.  Or maybe, just let our squad start hunting them.  Then again, I don't need a new shade account.   Let start identifying those who do.

[FLS]

BUSHLT1,  how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic?  Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way!   The dar bar argument would not not show us on a heading  or altitude.  Our flight was nowhere near a direct line with any base and not over water for a eny cv to see us.   Our flight was inbound to a IP point the was parallel to the target.   Big darbar argument can be great for some explanations, but not this time.  I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience.  The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!

So I will up my Shade account today and hope HTC does something about this and announce flakhapppy, and Jazzi whereabouts on 200 at all times.  Or maybe, just let our squad start hunting them.  Then again, I don't need a new shade account.   Let start identifying those who do.

Just send your proof to HTC since you wouldn't honorably make accusations without proof.

[FLOOB]

What's more boring than dogfighting in a 262? Dogfighting against bombers in a 262.

[Debrody]

What's more boring than dogfighting in a 262? Dogfighting against bombers in a 262.

hmmm
ask Latrobe, how fun a 262 vs 190D turnfight can be.

[zack1234]

Next time you have a bomber mission have a long range fighter escort of P51s

Spies getting owned is awesome

[DmonSlyr]

Well ya know man, just like in real war, there were spies. I think it is important to remember that it's almost impossible to be strategic when you call out to to the ones who shouldn't be called for.. Even when you think you are talking to your own country. That being said, bomber missions, just like real war, should have escorts. If you are going to make it a "mission" you need to yell on country channel and get people interested. Even if there is a retaliation, your hoard should be too strong to stop it. Alt has a lot of power too, especially for bombers. The type of bombers you choose is also important for the type of dangers you may face..

don't let it bother you man, you just got spoofed,

[IrishOne]

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[Debrody]

Fulcrum playing the flamebait thingy - you love that, dont you?  
Gard being a butthurt as usually when he cannot run away  

This thread is getting AWESOME quickly


By the way, there is honor even in a cartoon game. Some think the same and they are the ones i like to play with/against.
The rest is just... what is it, Mr Vaughan? Scum?
 

[earl1937]

Fulcrum playing the flamebait thingy - you love that, dont you?  
Gard being a butthurt as usually when he cannot run away  

This thread is getting AWESOME quickly


By the way, there is honor even in a cartoon game. Some think the same and they are the ones i like to play with/against.
The rest is just... what is it, Mr Vaughan? Scum?
 

To you sir, we have met serveral times in the skies of AH and it is about 10 to 1, your favor! I am just trying to raise a point about playing a game the same way that a person plays real life....I guess I am a dummy, but looks to me like if I want to maintain my self respect, when I look in that mirror during shaving, that I have done everything in my power to protect my integrity as a person as I live my life! I don't put that aside when I play a game just to gain an upper hand in battle. I to, observe large dar bars and go to investigate, just like everyone else, but I never find a large bomber formation, like everybody does when I am in the game and running missions. I realize that Hi Tech built this game on stick and rudder aerial combat and the game has been successful in obtaining people whom enjoy that kind of combat. But some of us old guys, with bad eyes and reflex's have to stick with bombers just to enjoy the game. While I don't have an answer for something like we are discussing, I would remind everyone to obey God's number 1 rule and that is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you!
There are many, many honorable people who play this game and for that experience for me, it has enriched my life for having known those guys!