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Offline Randy1

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Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« on: September 02, 2014, 07:07:18 AM »
In the P-38 manual the fuel tank selection is Aux for the first 15 minutes to create room for carburetor vapor not plane balance.  Then you start working on the wing tanks.  AH auto fuel tank selection starts with the Aux tanks as well then LM RM albeit AH does not need to make room for the vapors.

In my first attempts at manual tank selection I have run out of fuel twice in the heat of battle because I failed to switch tanks.

In general or plane specific, is manual fuel tank selection a good task to master?  Does it really make a difference in AH?

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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 08:39:24 AM »
It is plane dependent.  For the P-47, you have a small aux tank that is rarely damaged and a large main tank that is frequently damaged.  The normal order burns the aux tank first, leaving you with no reserve when your main tank gets holed. 
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 11:01:58 AM »
It's useful for manipulating the CG to make your aircraft perform to your liking.
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 11:37:06 AM »


It's useful for manipulating the CG to make your aircraft perform to your liking.

Skyr, I probably need to go in offline practice and run a few test on things like roll rate.

It is plane dependent.  For the P-47, you have a small aux tank that is rarely damaged and a large main tank that is frequently damaged.  The normal order burns the aux tank first, leaving you with no reserve when your main tank gets holed. 

Caldera, that is a good point on the 47.

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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 05:53:19 PM »

   Manual tank selection can make A HUGE difference depending on the plane.  in the Spits, there are a top and bottom tank, (and wing tanks in the 8). I burn the wings first, as they are easily damaged. then burn the top, to lower my center of gravity. sometimes i'll leave 1/4 in the top as a reserve cause I have a tendency to ignore the gauge while engaged.  In planes that have wing tanks, and torque issues (like corsairs) you want to burn the wings first, and Leave 1/4 to 1/8 in the wing opposite the engine torque to help counter it. then switch to main.   
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 10:01:35 PM »
   Manual tank selection can make A HUGE difference depending on the plane.  in the Spits, there are a top and bottom tank, (and wing tanks in the 8). I burn the wings first, as they are easily damaged. then burn the top, to lower my center of gravity. sometimes i'll leave 1/4 in the top as a reserve cause I have a tendency to ignore the gauge while engaged.  In planes that have wing tanks, and torque issues (like corsairs) you want to burn the wings first, and Leave 1/4 to 1/8 in the wing opposite the engine torque to help counter it. then switch to main.   

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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 11:35:05 PM »
It is plane dependent.  For the P-47, you have a small aux tank that is rarely damaged and a large main tank that is frequently damaged.  The normal order burns the aux tank first, leaving you with no reserve when your main tank gets holed. 
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 I fly the jug M and D-40 full of fuel and switch on take off to main,, gives me a 10 minute reserve with the aux tank!  just recently, I got hit in both tanks,, I don't remember that ever happening before but even so, I flew for almost ten minutes!
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2014, 04:10:25 PM »
In the P-38, it's best to leave it at auto-fuel instead of doing it manually. 

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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2014, 04:24:21 PM »
I have a related question about fuel tank and tanks leaking.  Does the AH damage model take into account the self-sealing tanks that many of our aircraft had?
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2014, 05:16:46 PM »
I have a related question about fuel tank and tanks leaking.  Does the AH damage model take into account the self-sealing tanks that many of our aircraft had?

It does in terms of the damage model, although by only making it less likely to spring a leak (or catch on fire) when taking damage to the region of a fuel tank, and then also in how fast you're loosing fuel out of the leak (I notice smaller bullets to planes with self sealing tanks can sometimes result in a slower leak, but it is as random as it is reliable).  So it's numbers as applied within the model I think: a lower percentage for damage to that component, a longer time for it to drain sometimes.
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 09:27:58 PM »
In the P-38, it's best to leave it at auto-fuel instead of doing it manually. 

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So far I can't tell a big difference.  I will follow your advice on the 38 and go auto.  Beats running out of fuel at the most embarrassing times.

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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2014, 08:48:15 AM »

    In the 190-d ALWAYS select front tank first and keep the rear as reserve. Unless you take 100% then I drain the rear at least halfway.
    The front tank will get shot out first leaving you with no fuel if you ran out the rear when leaving fuel on auto. This is most noticeable when hit by ack.  :eek:
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2014, 08:57:44 AM »
    In the 190-d ALWAYS select front tank first and keep the rear as reserve. Unless you take 100% then I drain the rear at least halfway.
    The front tank will get shot out first leaving you with no fuel if you ran out the rear when leaving fuel on auto. This is most noticeable when hit by ack.  :eek:

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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 09:40:37 AM »
this!!!!
 I fly the jug M and D-40 full of fuel and switch on take off to main,, gives me a 10 minute reserve with the aux tank!  just recently, I got hit in both tanks,, I don't remember that ever happening before but even so, I flew for almost ten minutes!
I find that a full aux tank in the P47 makes it a little more difficult to control in stalling maneuvers. If I leave fuel in the AUX it is no more than 25% - this can still carry you quite a long way if you can fly at reduced RPM (i.e. disengage from combat before the main tank runs dry).
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Re: Manual fuel tank selection: Does it Really Make a Difference?
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2014, 10:09:41 AM »
    In the 190-d ALWAYS select front tank first and keep the rear as reserve. Unless you take 100% then I drain the rear at least halfway.
    The front tank will get shot out first leaving you with no fuel if you ran out the rear when leaving fuel on auto. This is most noticeable when hit by ack.  :eek:

I think burning off the front will leave you a little more maneuverable but more marginally stable as well. As for anything with wing tanks, generally, it helps to burn 'em early because the decrease in roll inertia will significantly help in the break.
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