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Offline Vraciu

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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2014, 01:27:40 PM »
Quote from: Someguy63 on October 10, 2014, 01:26:45 PM
Go develop one.

Why?   We have F-22s.  We don't need the Joint Strike Failure.

(Nice non-argument, btw. My developing one doesn't change the fact this thing sucks.)
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2014, 01:33:59 PM »
Jeez Vraciu, you couldn't be more full of it.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2014, 01:37:41 PM »
Quote from: Vraciu on October 10, 2014, 01:27:40 PM
Why?   We have F-22s.  We don't need the Joint Strike Failure.

(Nice non-argument, btw. My developing one doesn't change the fact this thing sucks.)

Developing? You're just adding a few things to complain about how it "sucks".

You most likely don't have any up-front experience with the aircraft or personally know a developer of the machine but yet you talk of it as if you had worked on it yourself and failed. If you did, then hell, I'd almost believe you.

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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2014, 01:53:50 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 10, 2014, 01:33:59 PM
Jeez Vraciu, you couldn't be more full of it.


Really?   :rofl


I have stated the facts.   You have mimicked talking points by the LockMart PR department.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2014, 01:55:14 PM »
Quote from: Someguy63 on October 10, 2014, 01:37:41 PM
Developing? You're just adding a few things to complain about how it "sucks".

You most likely don't have any up-front experience with the aircraft or personally know a developer of the machine but yet you talk of it as if you had worked on it yourself and failed. If you did, then hell, I'd almost believe you.




The information is out there if you get past LockMart and Bogdan (and even he is admitting the thing is a mess).    


THE F-35 -- TOO BIG TO FAIL, TOO CRAPPY AND COMPROMISED TO SUCCEED.
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2014, 02:04:27 PM »
You haven't stated any facts, only your own baseless opinions. Find me one pilot who has flown the F-35, from any of the eight nations who currently have pilots flying it, who has anything but praise for the aircraft. I dare you.

You're full of it.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2014, 02:09:04 PM »
Scholz is right.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2014, 02:51:48 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 10, 2014, 02:04:27 PM
You haven't stated any facts, only your own baseless opinions. Find me one pilot who has flown the F-35, from any of the eight nations who currently have pilots flying it, who has anything but praise for the aircraft. I dare you.

You're full of it.


Really? They "praise" an airplane that is restricted to 3 Gs and has avionics that DO NOT WORK and you buy that garbage?   It catches fire for no reason, has awful self-protection, and can't carry a load that is useful for anything.


 :rofl


You clearly have no grasp of politics.   Any "praise" I have read is carefully parsed, too.

But hey, the Marines at Midway praised the Buffalo beforehand...  Oops.

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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2014, 02:52:28 PM »
Quote from: Someguy63 on October 10, 2014, 02:09:04 PM
Scholz is right.

No.  He is just snowed by yes men and ignores the realities of the aircraft.   Numbers  do not lie.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2014, 03:03:57 PM »
You don't have the numbers. And yes... The pilots who have flown it praise it.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2014, 03:04:39 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 10, 2014, 03:03:57 PM
You don't have the numbers. And yes... The pilots who have flown it praise it.


The numbers are out there.


Try basic algebra.


And again, how is this thing gonna forward deploy?


It can't.


SMH at Just So Failed cheerleaders.
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2014, 03:26:47 PM »
You don't have the numbers. You can't find a pilot who's flown it and doesn't praise it. And that includes active air force and navy personnel from several different nations. If you think they're all "yes men" in the pocket of Lockheed Martin, you're a nutjob conspiracy theorist.
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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2014, 04:06:43 PM »
Didn't we have this exact conversation a couple of months ago?

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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2014, 05:07:52 PM »
Quote from: Oldman731 on October 10, 2014, 04:06:43 PM
Didn't we have this exact conversation a couple of months ago?

- oldman


Yes.  And the cheerleaders were just as delusional then as now.

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Re: F15 Down
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2014, 05:10:14 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on October 10, 2014, 03:26:47 PM
You don't have the numbers. You can't find a pilot who's flown it and doesn't praise it. And that includes active air force and navy personnel from several different nations. If you think they're all "yes men" in the pocket of Lockheed Martin, you're a nutjob conspiracy theorist.

Yes, I do have the numbers.  You just don't care to believe--or even find--them.  They have cut corners and tried to shed weight resulting in a dangerous, fragile, unreliable piece of junk.

It can't perform as is.   Once they try to beef it up they'll degrade performance further.  It is a turkey.


Whatever works for you true believers.   :rolleyes:
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