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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2015, 03:05:52 PM »
What a great argument from you. Really convinced me.

When it is cheaper and commonplace to pay off the taxman instead of paying tax, and when the government is running a lot of social programs and wildly unrealistic retirement benefits, it is only a question of time before it all collapses. Has nothing to do with the EU or anyone else. Greece is rotting from the inside.

You just don't have a clue, simple as that. The savings politics the EU central bank pushed caused severe loss of quality of life to large masses of people in Greece (up to the state of famine) and played directly into the pouches of extremists such as syriza and golden dawn. All the while nothing was actually resolved, the debt became larger and all this setting just bought enough time to transfer the responsibilities of the large German and French banks to the EU taxpayers.

You really have no clue of the big picture. The bad politics run by Greeks themselves pale with the schemes done on the EU level. Once again the familiar pattern emerges - banks take big risks. Banks profit from the big risks. Banks take big risks and lose money. Taxpayers pay out the banks.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2015, 03:20:34 PM »
Greece's problem is they didn't change their fiscal and monetary policies after joining the EU common currency. The Greek government kept its economic policy which consisted in spending more than it received from taxes and minor state entrepreneurial activities, and, in the past, printing drachmas to make up for its budget deficits. It amounts to a fiscal and monetary policy where tax revenues are produced with the printing press (producing bank notes or bonds). Some countries prefer this system to price stability, which has other advantages and drawbacks.

The Greek government began to borrow euros mostly from foreign investors. Big European lenders (Société Générale, Deutsche Bank, etc.) were happy to lend to Greece, because the interest rate was high, to take into account the risk, and at the same time they knew that Europe would refund them should Greece fail. These were euros flowing into the country and corresponding promises to pay back later including some interests (bonds) flowing out. Private Greek agents too borrowed within the country as well as abroad. In parallel to its budget deficits, Greece trade went into deep imbalance. The country indulged in a spending spree with its new money buying goods and services all over the world much more easily than with its previous drachma. Greece paid its imports in part with exports, in part with promises, and in part with euros, which left the country.

The eurozone, feeling concerned, hesitates on what to do. Meanwhile, the Greek government began to reduce the salaries of civil servants, pensions of retirees and public spending. A growing number of Greeks don't have enough money for their everyday expenditures, and therefore shops and local producers suffer as well. The whole country is simply running out of the official money and its GDP has been decreasing for the last three years.

Go ahead. Tell me I don't have a clue, but please offer up some more insight of your own.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 04:36:36 PM »
We are getting to live through the world's greatest Keynsian experiment.  When it is such an unmitigated, horrific disaster that no one can miss it, will enough people learn from that event?  Or will they look at the enormous conflagration and say, "It's horrible -- they didn't dump enough gasoline on the fire to put it out!"

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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2015, 09:01:38 PM »
With the communists in power there now I wouldn't buy a beer there let alone property.

The only difference between communism and the socialist crazy party that one a near majority of seats then formed a coalition government with a fractional party is opposition. This new party is Karl Marx all the way. If they get their way your summer villa on the beach will be right up their with Cuba.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2015, 09:38:07 PM »
Ya know, when I was in high school, a very long time ago, I studied economics.......and right now I can't remember any of it excect that, at the time, Keynesian policy seemed like a much more sensible choice than monetarist policy.  But since I can't remember what either of them actually is......

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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2015, 12:35:39 AM »
The only difference between communism and the socialist crazy party that one a near majority of seats then formed a coalition government with a fractional party is opposition. This new party is Karl Marx all the way. If they get their way your summer villa on the beach will be right up their with Cuba.

Erm, no, I'm going to wait until they sell the crown jewels in desperation, silly, not before.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2015, 02:49:55 AM »
Greece's problem is they didn't change their fiscal and monetary policies after joining the EU common currency. The Greek government kept its economic policy which consisted in spending more than it received from taxes and minor state entrepreneurial activities, and, in the past, printing drachmas to make up for its budget deficits. It amounts to a fiscal and monetary policy where tax revenues are produced with the printing press (producing bank notes or bonds). Some countries prefer this system to price stability, which has other advantages and drawbacks.

The Greek government began to borrow euros mostly from foreign investors. Big European lenders (Société Générale, Deutsche Bank, etc.) were happy to lend to Greece, because the interest rate was high, to take into account the risk, and at the same time they knew that Europe would refund them should Greece fail. These were euros flowing into the country and corresponding promises to pay back later including some interests (bonds) flowing out. Private Greek agents too borrowed within the country as well as abroad. In parallel to its budget deficits, Greece trade went into deep imbalance. The country indulged in a spending spree with its new money buying goods and services all over the world much more easily than with its previous drachma. Greece paid its imports in part with exports, in part with promises, and in part with euros, which left the country.

The eurozone, feeling concerned, hesitates on what to do. Meanwhile, the Greek government began to reduce the salaries of civil servants, pensions of retirees and public spending. A growing number of Greeks don't have enough money for their everyday expenditures, and therefore shops and local producers suffer as well. The whole country is simply running out of the official money and its GDP has been decreasing for the last three years.

Go ahead. Tell me I don't have a clue, but please offer up some more insight of your own.

Your text is a direct quote from http://lapasserelle.com/billets/greek_crisis.html lol.

Are you possibly the author of said website? If not, please spare me of any future insights of yours  :rofl

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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2015, 03:26:33 AM »
Ripsnorting isn't a sin you know. Why write a whole page when it has already been written. Do you have any insight to share or just more bull?
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2015, 06:12:24 AM »
Ripsnorting isn't a sin you know. Why write a whole page when it has already been written. Do you have any insight to share or just more bull?

You should always post the source of your quote. Not doing so and posting them as your own words is even illegal in some countries due to copyright infraction.

Posting a story as proof of your own expertise and getting caught pants in the knees won't exactly help your credibility. Now, I have FIRST HAND knowledge about the situation in Greece. So far you've posted a quote from the first article Google puts up. I'm not exactly convinced yet about your knowledgeability on the subject.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2015, 06:32:59 AM »
I haven't posted anything as proof of anything. You're the one waving around words like "wrong wrong and wrong" and "you don't have a clue". You claim to know better, but evade every question. I haven't claimed any special knowledge. THAT's the situation in Greece as I understand it, and I don't see the logic in you thinking I do not understand the text I posted. You continue to evade the topic and continue with your infantile personal attack on me rather than staying on topic. I'm guessing it's because you haven't got the first clue about economics or what's causing Greece's problems.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2015, 07:21:03 AM »
Greece might look to Cuba for a cloudy vision of the future.

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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2015, 07:49:44 AM »
I haven't posted anything as proof of anything. You're the one waving around words like "wrong wrong and wrong" and "you don't have a clue". You claim to know better, but evade every question. I haven't claimed any special knowledge. THAT's the situation in Greece as I understand it, and I don't see the logic in you thinking I do not understand the text I posted. You continue to evade the topic and continue with your infantile personal attack on me rather than staying on topic. I'm guessing it's because you haven't got the first clue about economics or what's causing Greece's problems.

Uh, which questions exactly? And the motive for your post is clearly visible:

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Go ahead. Tell me I don't have a clue, but please offer up some more insight of your own.

That quote can be capped off as:
"See, I know all that stuff (that I copypasted from the first google search I could find as I have no personal knowledge of the subject that would enable me to write anything with my own words)"
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2015, 10:47:35 AM »
Plagiarism does kind of ding one's credibility.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2015, 06:14:38 PM »
Had I made a proper quote it would have had more credibility, not less (as some people seem to think). An oversight on my part perhaps, but the essential truth remains: Greece's economical problems are entirely their own doing. The EU has tried to help, in their own fumbling bureaucratic way.

The question MrRiplEy[H] is the same as in that very post where I quoted André Cabannes, a PhD at Stanford University: Offer up some insight of your own.

Do you think Cabannes is wrong? If so, what is he wrong about?

On the other hand if you just want to continue romancing me I suggest we get a room.
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Re: I've always wanted to own my own Greek island
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2015, 06:22:48 PM »
Don't fall off that high horse predator.   You offered no opinion of your own but now you're demanding Ripley  does.  Let's  hear what your insight is and this time maybe plagiarize from the 2nd or 3rd Google  page so yo don't  get caught.
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