Dresden bombing marked 70 years on

[Rich46yo]

Factually incorrect with the noted exception of the United States. France and the UK declared war on Germany. The RAF also started bombing German cities before the Luftwaffe did. The Ruhr valley and German port cities like Wilhelmshaven were bombed as early as late 1939.

German children did not send anyone into the showers.

My gist was that Germany started the war on everyone. Despite warnings from France and Britain he went ahead and, murdered a bunch of prisoners, dressed them up in uniforms, and then created a story about how Poland attacked Germany. So he attacked Poland. Like he fired the first shots in the west. Then fired the first against Russia, America, Finland, Norway....oh whats the point?

Children generally werent to active in the war with any side. Maybe the exception is Germany at the end when Hitler sent anyone in short pants out with a panzerfaust so he could live a few days longer and kill a few more Jews.

These Dresden threads never fail to disappoint. Im outta here.

[PR3D4TOR]

Germany was clearly the aggressor. However, I'm not opposed to the war on Germany, but the conduct of that war.

[Karnak]

Sir Arthur Harris said:
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

[Kenne]

Germany was clearly the aggressor. However, I'm not opposed to the war on Germany, but the conduct of that war.

and how do you defeat an aggressor, point your finger at him and say he is a naughty boy?
and invading a country, in your opinion, is not a defacto declaration of war?
so in you opinion Germany is the victim here. because as you have stated Germany never
'declared war' on anyone save the US.

regale us with you intelligence:
how many civilians were killed in the allied bombing campaign?

[zack1234]

Sir Arthur Harris said:
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind

I am going to have a Beer

Germans today are alright

[Groth]

 Germans who lived near concentration camps now deny smelling burning human flesh.
 German solders still alive deny any involvement in atrocities.
 German citizens still alive deny knowing anything about killing of jews/unwanted.
 It was ALL Hitler....
 The exceptions are ostracized....
                                                                JGroth
 

[PR3D4TOR]

There were no extermination camps in Germany for exactly the reason of hiding it from the German people. Officially they were “deported to the East”. All the extermination camps were in the occupied lands in eastern Europe. Mostly Poland. It is shocking that you don't know this.

[Groth]

 Germans were resettled in vast numbers..many near concentration camps.
 Seems you read alot..and know little.
                                                                  JGroth

[Groth]

 And..your supposition that the truth of the concentration camps was 'hidden' from the german public, especially after years,  is laughable..if convenient.
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                          JGroth

[PR3D4TOR]

Lol. Germans were not "resettled" anywhere. You're full of you-know-what. Seems you read little and know even less.

[Groth]

 Ah, wrong...many of the ones resettled in Poland, and other eastern areas tried hard to get back to germany before the Russians caught them .
 The Russians were ruthless in their treatment of the germans they did catch up to...as if they were trying to out do what the germans did to them....
 I'd site sources but your not really interested...are you.
 Facts just get in your way....                                                               JGroth


Thousands and thousands were resettled. Given homes, farms..even business' that were already established.
They KNEW where those places had come from......

[Groth]

 A taste..just for you..[urlhttps://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEV79i_t9UzzwAEsgPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTB0b2ZrZmU3BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwMl8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=yhs-avg-fh_lsonsw&va=german+resettlement+of+poland&hspart=avg&hsimp=yhs-fh_lsonsw][/url]
                                                          
more? German settlement in the former eastern territories of Germany and pre-war Poland dates back to the medieval Ostsiedlung. Germany used the presence and the alleged persecution of Volksdeutsche as propaganda tools in preparation for the invasion of Poland in 1939. With the invasion, Poland was partitioned between Germany and the Soviet Union according to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. This was followed by population exchanges, and included Baltic Germans who were settled to occupied Poland.

Germany's Generalplan Ost strategy for Central and Eastern Europe envisioned the creation of a Greater Germany, which was to be built by means of removing a variety of non-Germans from Poland and other areas in Central and Eastern Europe, mainly Slavs and Jews believed by Nazis to be subhuman. These non-Germans were targeted for slave labor and eventual extermination. While Generalplan Ost's settlement ambitions did not come into full effect due to the war's turn, millions of Germans mostly from Central and Eastern Europe were settled by the Nazis to replace Poles removed or killed during the occupation. Germany deported millions of Poles either to other territories, to concentration camps or as slave workers.
 
 Note:"..millions of Germans.....were settled by the Nazis to replace Poles removed or killed during the occupation."
 Millions..that's a big number..even for you. And that is just Poland.
                                                                                    JGroth

[Groth]

 Keep trying..maybe in 20-30 years it will all be forgotten, and then you will be revered as correct.


 Let's face it...the allies(less the russians) treated the defeated Japanese and Germans pretty well, considering how they treated those they conquered.
                                  
 Now..use some proof, show me I was wrong..
     JGroth

[Oldman731]

There were no extermination camps in Germany for exactly the reason of hiding it from the German people.

"Hilde?"

"Yes, honey."

"Did you ever wonder what happened to all of our Jewish neighbors?"

"What do you mean?"

"Well...they're gone."

"Don't worry about it, sweetheart, I'm sure they're happy wherever they went."

- oldman

[Groth]

 In summation..yes, Dresden was horrific...so was Guernica...
 like someone said once.."..They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue.." till it's over.

                                                                                                        JGroth