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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2015, 01:24:48 PM »
I'm already picturing 'Balance One' in my mind's eye as bing played by Steve McQueen (ignoring his B-17 persona in  'The War Lover.').

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 01:34:48 PM »
Hands up...

If reading the original post gave you the urge to log on and up a P-38... I can't be the only one :)

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 02:08:16 PM »
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no it certainly did not...... :uhoh

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 04:22:44 PM »
Hands up...

If reading the original post gave you the urge to log on and up a P-38... I can't be the only one :)

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 05:51:27 PM »
:aok



Taking off behind CorkyJr:
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Yep, that's Dan......off the runway damn near scraping a wing on the ground.  At what point did he catch on fire?

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Awesome post Brooke, thanks sir
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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 06:20:43 PM »
A thread like this inspires a search engine/cut-n-paste fest of P-38 art.










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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 07:06:13 PM »
I post this 38 story every so often.  It's THE furball for real.  We flew the Ploesti 38 run in a scenario in Airwarrior and something similar happened in the cartoon world.



"Stub" Hatch with the 1st FG in 44



There is a biography out on Stub as well.  The following is from the book "An Escort of P-38s" about the 1st FG.  It's Stub's account of the low level furball he was involved in on that Ploesti Raid.  They thought they were fighting 190s when in fact they were fighting Romanian IAR-80s

Herb "Stub" Hatch, describes the mission from his vantage point of Cragmore
Green 3, the element leader of the 4th Flight. 71st FS, 1st FG June 10, 1944


"At this point we were only 250-300 feet off the ground.  As we pulled up
slightly to turn back north again somebody hollered, 'Cragmore Break left
for Chrissake!'  I looked to my left and there was a whole flock of FW 190s
headed in from 10 O'clock high.

Our entire squadron broke to the left.  As I continued around in my sharp
turn a lone 190 came out of nowhere and pulled right across in front of me.
 He was so close -fifty to seventy five yards away- that all I could see in
my ring sight was the belly of his fuselage and the wing roots.  I opened
fire with all four 50-caliber machine guns and the 20mm cannon and I just
damn near blew him in half.  That saved my neck because when I rolled out
to shoot at the 190 I looked to my right and here comes another bunch of
190s from my 2 0'clock.

There were four 190s in the lead.  I did the only thing I could do.  I
turned sharply to my right, pulled up and fired again.  The leader was
150-250 yards away, nearly head on and slightly to my left.  I set the lead
190 on fire with a burst that went through the engine, left side of the
cockpit and the wing root.  The 190 rolled to its right and passed me on my
left.  I didn't see him crash but my gun camera film showed the fire and my
wingman Lt. Joe Morrison, confirmed that he crashed.  Unfortunately the
other three 190s in that flight went right over my head and down on the
tails of Green flight leader and his wingman.  Both were shot down.

As I continued my turn around to my right, my wingman stayed with me and I
saw another 190 right up behind one of my tentmates, Joe Jackson flying as
Cragmore white 4.  I closed in on that one from about his five o'clock and
tried to shoot his canopy off from about 100 yards, but I was too late to
save Joe.  By then the 190 had set Jackson's plane on fire.  Joe's plane
rolled over and went in and he was killed.  I finally did get a burst into
the cockpit area and the 190 followed Joe right into the ground.

I was still turning to the right, going quite slowly by then, because I had
my combat flaps down.  I turned maybe another 90 degrees to my right when I
saw on of our 38s coming head on with a 190 on his tail.  We were still
only around 300 feet and the P38 passed over me by fifty-seventy five feet.
 I pulled up my nose and opened fire on the trailing 190 from a distance of
about 150-200 yards.  He kept coming head on and I shot off the bottom half
of his engine.  He nosed down still shooting at me and I had to dump the
yoke hard to miss him.  He was burning when he went over me, by not more
then three feet and part of his right wing knocked about three inches off
the top of my left rudder.

As the 190 went over my head I saw three more making a pass at me from my
left.  I turned so fast I lost Joe Morrison.  I missed my shot that time
but when these three went over me they went after Morrison.  I saw three
190s diving on another 38.  I snap shot at the leader from about 90 degree
deflection.  I hit his left wing and shredded the aileron.  He fell off on
his wing and went in.  He was so low there was no chance for him to
recover.  I kept on going around to my left and shot at the second one with
was going away from me on my left.  I hit him, but I am not sure if he went
in.  I know I knocked a bunch of pieces off his cowling and fuselage but I
didn't have time to see what was happening to him.

I looked to my 2 o'clock and here comes another 190 right at me.  It was
too late for me to turn.  I just shut my eyes and hunched down in the
cockpit.  I thought I had bought the farm right there.  But he missed me,
he never even hit my ship.  I think he missed me because I was going so
slowly.  He overestimated my speed and was overleading me.  I started to
turn his way and when he went behind me I continued on around. There was
another one out there so I closed in on him.  I took aim, fired but my guns
only fired about ten rounds and quit.  I was out of ammo.  I damaged him a
bit but he flew away.

I cannot over emphasize what a melee that was.   There were at least twelve
P38s in that little area, all of them at very low altitude.  Somewhere
between 25 and 30 190s were also there.  None of us were at more then 200
or 300 feet and some were quite a bit lower.  The topography was kind of a
little hollow with hills on each side.  It was by far the wildest melee I
saw in sixty odd combat missions I flew.  I heard one guy who had been
wounded pretty badly, scream until he went in.  It was a wild, wild few
minutes.  And a few minutes is all it was.  According to the mission report
from our debriefing the whole fight took something like three to six
minutes.  I had no inkling of elapsed time while it was going on. I was too
damned busy trying to stay alive.

When I woke up to the fact that I was out of ammunition, 600 miles into
enemy territory and all alone, I broke out of the area and went looking for
some company.  In only a few minutes I found one of the other planes in my
squadron headed in my general direction.  I called the pilot, Carl
Heonshell, on the radio and we joined up.  About that time I heard my
wingman Joe Morrison hollering for some help.  He was on single engine,
pretty badly shot up and would someone please come help him.  So Hoenshell
and I turned back to look for Joe.  We finally found him down around 200
feet. After we got him headed in our direction we started to climb out of
there to the west.

Joe's airplane looked like a lace doily.  The two 190s that I had not had
time to turn into had gone over the top of me and down onto Joe's tail
because he had broken right when I had broken left. Joe's ship was flying
but just barely.  Hoenshell and I were both out of ammo.  The three of us
tried to make ourselves as small as possible and headed west. Four or five
minutes later another P38 joined with us.  It as Lt. John Allen, a 94th
Squadron pilot.  We hoped he had some ammunition.  When we called to ask we
found his radio was out and we couldn't talk to him. 

Another 25-30 miles west just as we were gaining some altitude we ran into
a bunch of flak.  Unfortunately Morrison became separated from us again
because he couldn't maneuver, as quickly to get out of the flak, so we had
to turn around and go back and get him again.  We nursed Joe along for a
long, long time.  Finally we got out of Rumania and into Yugoslavia and had
climbed to about 12,000 feet.  We were S-ing back and forth over Joe
because he couldn't fly as fast as we could on his single engine.  As I was
turning from one of our S's I spotted 6 Me109s about 8 0'clock.  I hollered
to Hoenshell "Bogies high at 8' o'clock!"  He saw them too and cautioned.
"Hold it, hold it, Joe hit the deck."  Joe didn't lose any time.  He stuck
his nose down and headed for the ground.

Carl Allen and I held the turn ad best we could and when the 109s broke
formation and came at us from 6 o'clock we turned into them hoping to scare
them off by looking like we were ready for a fight, but they didn't scare
worth a damn. (This with no ammo)  When Hoenshell, who was leading hollered
on the radio, "Hit the deck Hatch!"  I didn't waste any time doing just
that.  I rolled my airplane over on its back and split-essed out of there.

One 109 was chasing me with a couple of others going after Hoenshell, but I
don't know where the others went. There was an undercast beneath us and I
didn't have the faintest idea where the mountains were-Yugoslavia is full
of them-but there was no choice at this point.  The Me109 was chasing me
and I had nothing left to fight with so I went through that undercast so
fast I didn't even see it.  I was hitting close to 600 mph when I came
through into the bottom into a valley between two high ridges.  The Lord
sure was with me that day.

I kept going.  When I was sure I'd lost the 190 I pulled back up over the
overcast and started looking around for Hoenshell, Allen or Morrison,
anybody.  I heard Joe hollering for help but my fuel level was getting down
to the point where I couldn't afford any longer to turn around and go back.
 I continued on toward Foggia.

When I landed back at home base I was the first member of our squadron to
return from the mission.  It was noon and my elapsed time was 6 hours 55
minutes.  I don't think I had enough gas to go around again if I hadn't
been able to land on my first approach.  There was quite a welcoming
committee at the revetment when I parked the aircraft.  Shortly after I
landed Cragmore Blue flight came in, all four of them.  They hadn't been in
the fight at all.  Much later that evening, long after debriefing and after
we seven survivors had imbibed a bit of the medicinal alcohol that the
flight surgeon had been kind enough to put out, who should come wandering
in but Joe Morrison, my wingman.  He had gotten that lace doily across the
Adriatic but had to dump it on the field at Bari."
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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2015, 03:52:41 AM »
Nice pics and nice story, guys!  :aok

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2015, 09:13:39 AM »
Just ordered it and two others
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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 12:20:15 AM »
I thought of this thread today playing Aces High  :cheers:  :rofl:

http://youtu.be/wKulj_89f0U

I'd be very impressed if any1 could understand what I said at the begining of the vid :old: :D
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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 08:44:20 AM »
Wow incredible stories! Thanks for sharing.

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 09:09:47 AM »
Thanks, Brooke.

I will download the Wrong Stuff tonight.

I just finished re-reading Caiden's book and ran across the reference to Stub's ace-in-a-day.  I'll look for his biography with fingers crossed there's an e-book version.

Great thread, fellas.

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Re: One of the best P-38 stories I've ever heard
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2015, 09:28:16 AM »
From "The Wrong Stuff", by Truman Smith (WWII B-17 pilot, 8th AF, 385th BG).  The following is a description of part of his mission #11 to Zwickau, Germany, 12 May 1944, for which the group got a Presidential Unit Citation.
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There were about 60 of the Bandits – obviously not Friendlies – and they queued up above our right flank. . . .

I switched to the Fighter Channel to hear if anyone had called Balance for support. What I heard chilled the pee in my bladder, because I had never heard such terror in a voice. It sounded more like a woman screaming for her life. Not a yell. Screaming!

“BALANCE-ONE, this is VINEGROVE ONE! OH, MY GOD! HELP US! BANDITS! COME HELP US!! THEY’RE SHOOTING THE SH*T OUT OF US!! BALANCE – VINEGROVE, OHHH MY GOD!!!” The voice faded into sobs and was unintelligible. . . .

He had to be inexperienced to even expect we would get any help from our scheduled escort, BALANCE-ONE.

“VINEGROVE-ONE, this is BALANCE-ONE."

No sh*t! There really was a Balance-One out there someplace. He actually answered the call for help . I couldn’t believe it, because nobody had ever come to our rescue before, except that one time MY FRAN checked on us.

“BALANCE-ONE, this is VINEGROVE-ONE,” came the reply from our Fighter Channel Guard, “We’re south of the target. Where are you?”

“Well, we’re just a little busy right now Vinegrove-One."

I couldn’t believe the calmness in Balance’s voice. If they were “busy,” there was a slaughter going on in the busy-ness of killing and being killed. Yet, his voice was unruffled, as if he were a salesperson willing to wait on you as soon as he was free.

It might have been assumed that, going deep into Germany from England, we would have approached the target from the west; and having dropped on it, we would make a 180 degree turn and head back west to England. Not so.

Strategic bombing was more like American football tactics. What might appear as a direct drive to one target could turn into an end-around to a different target.

So, headed east to the border of Czechoslovakia, we cut north to Zwickau, dropped, and made a 180 degree turn back south, instead of east for England. It was designed to keep them guessing and ending with us flying over more territory as fighter and flak “magnets.” . . .

Well, that’s the way it was. We still didn’t have fighter protection. Somebody must have, but we didn’t have it. So here we were, coming off of the target; the Bandits  were queued up to have at us again and we would be fighting our own battle.

There was no doubt that the strategy of using us as “Bait” was premature. But what the hell, it was all one grand “experiment,” because it was a new type of warfare and we had to do THE WRONG STUFF in order to find out how to do it the right way.

This time the Bandits queued up on our left flank at 9 o’clock high and their number seemed to have diminished to about fifty, still outnumbering us two-to-one, ship for ship.

Out of the habit I had formed , I looked over my shoulder in the opposite direction of the obvious threat, so as to avoid any surprises – and was I SURPRISED!

There were two little “dots,” way up at 3 o’clock high and they were coming in our direction in a hurry. They were aircraft. I could even make out, as they neared, that they had twin engines and twin-boom tails. That could mean only one thing. They were American P-38 Lightnings – BALANCE ONE!

Before my goose-flesh got too happy, I thought, BALANCE? That was no balance. Two Friendly fighter escorts and FIFTY BANDITS?

Make that FIFTY BANDITS and only one Friendly, because one of the two Friendlies started flying zig-zag over the top of us, like a mother hen protecting her chicks, and the other Friendly kept going until he was above the group of FIFTY BANDITS.

Boy, this was going to be some kind of a performance . One P-38 was going to protect the bomb group by himself and the other P-38 – by himself – was going to take on FIFTY BANDITS(?).

Now I had seen all kinds of competition, but this was like a single matador jumping into the arena with 50 killer bulls. Somebody was going to get killed for sure. But if victory was going to go to the guy with the biggest “balls,” then BALANCE-ONE was, unbelievably, the 50 to 1 favorite.

My God! Balance One flew out over the top of the Bandits, rolled upside down into a “split-S” and dove straight down for the FIFTY BANDITS!. He must’ve eaten nails for breakfast.

G*dd*mned American fighter pilots: vain, insolent , conceited, arrogant, cocky and impertinent Fighter Jocks! God bless ’em all. My skin crawled and my eyes got moist – “Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for another.”

There was no doubt, it was a “gutsy” move and I was impressed. Such bravery also impressed the fifty Bandits, because – as if one plane – they all pitched forward into a vertical dive to get away from my hero, the “Forked Tailed Devil,” as the Luftwaffe had dubbed the P-38. This was the cool voice on the radio who had been “Just a little busy right now.”

Swinging back and forth behind the Bandits, he blew up two ME-109’ s before they all dove into the cloud deck below us – with Balance One still tailing them.

WOW! What a show! It was well worth the high price of admission. Only the inside of my oxygen mask could have heard my “Thank you Mr. Balance,” and – “Where in hell are you going?” as I addressed our Top Cover who also took off for the wild blue yonder at the conclusion of their performance.
:airplane: We had a similar instance in a recent "staged" mission, (BOWL) and Columboo did something very similar and he did bust up the incoming bad guys, long enough for other escorts to get into the fight. Those missions in the BOWL were as good as it gets in this game!
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