editing program

[Zoney]

Where are those videos you promised of me and BigR? I'm sure you know which ones I'm talking about. You went on about them on 200 for about 20 minutes.

What possibly could this have anything to do with a discussion on "Editing Programs"?

[darkzking]

Where are those videos you promised of me and BigR? I'm sure you know which ones I'm talking about. You went on about them on 200 for about 20 minutes.

Why don't you make your own thread asking where those videos are at instead of hijacking this thread about video editing program.

[mikev]

  I am glad your having fun making these Draggon. your still getting more kills in 1 video then i do in 2 weeks or longer lol.. but 1 of these days ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT44cUPZQ2o

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[BoilerDown]

Buy this:

http://smile.amazon.com/Elgato-Game-Capture-HD60/dp/B00MIQ40JQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428712330&sr=8-1&keywords=record+60+fps+games

First, NO.  That device is fraking garbage, because it transfers the video over USB 2.0, which doesn't have the bandwidth, and so it very poorly compresses the video first, and you lose a lot of quality.

Second, if you're going to use a capture card, you need a second computer.  So you're talking a 2-computer setup.  Notice how it says "for PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Xbox 360, or Wii U gameplay", as its captures those consoles "right to your PC or Mac".  If you're going to capture a computer with a computer, you need two computers, or else you're doing it wrong.

Third, the better way is to use Open Broadcaster Software to capture Aces High gameplay to your hard drive directly, no capture card needed:  https://obsproject.com  Follow the OBS setup guides, and make sure you're running Windows Vista or better and that your GPU fully supports DirectX 10 or better and your drivers are updated.  Use Game Capture.  If you have a recent Nvidia card, you can use the built-in NVEnc encoder, same as Shadowplay uses, except with OBS you have more configuration options.  If you have an Intel CPU, you can use Quicksync encoding with OBS.  If you have one of the latest AMD video cards, there may soon be an AMD equivalent to NVEnc available, there's a fork of OBS with it in open alpha testing now.

Fourth, if you do have a second computer you want to do all your encoding tasks on, get a decent capture card (at the same price), not the P.O.S. that Challenge mentioned.  (And use it with OBS mentioned above.)  Here's the most trouble-free popular capture card on the market: http://www.amazon.com/Live-Gamer-HD-Lite-Acquisition/dp/B00GLPYA1I .  It'll allow you to input 1080p60 and record it at 720p60 or 1080p30, either choice will be far better quality than the Elgato device, or any device that inputs HD video over a USB 2.0 port.

If you want to spend more, you can find capture cards for full 1080p60 input and output, but they require USB 3.0 or a PCIe 4x slot... if they claim to need less, they're pre-compressing the video and you should avoid them for numerous reasons.  To see what I use, check my Twitch link in my sig.

As for video editing once you've captured your video to your hard drive, I personally think the best price/features/performance tradeoffs for an NLE for amateurs like us is still Vegas Movie Studio (HD Platinum version... whatever).  There's a 30 day free fully-featured trial on Sony's Vegas site, which will more than likely convince you to buy the full thing, old versions of which are not expensive: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=vegas%20movie%20studio .  Get the Platinum version though, as lesser versions I believe have poor output options.

Once you're done in Vegas, save it as an extremely high quality/bitrate "intermediate" file, and then use Handbrake to compress it to something you can upload to YouTube.  Be sure to keep YouTube's H.264 encoding recommendations in mind: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171

This YouTube video tells you an very nicely how to save an intermediate file out of Vegas and then use Handbrake to make it to the final product for upload to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=rWMX5lSvEgY

[scott66]

Thanks bud so with that obs I only need one computer since that's all I have room for in the truck  :cheers:I'll try

[Skuzzy]

If you are using Sony Vegas Pro, it does have a Youtube friendly encoding option.

You really want to avoid running any video through multiple lossy encodings.

[BoilerDown]

You really want to avoid running any video through multiple lossy encodings.

I agree.  If you're worried about the intermediate file, then make the intermediate file lossless, as described in the YouTube link I posted.  If you're worried about the Elgato (and other USB 2.0 capture devices), then I agree, that's a very legitimate concern.

The main problem with Vegas Pro is that it uses the Mainconcept H.264 encoder, which has inferior quality per bitrate versus the x264 that Handbrake uses.  That's essentially mitigated by most people by cranking the bitrate high enough.

Which is the same solution for the first encoding when saving video to the hard drive.  You can use FRAPS uncompressed or something similar (NVEnc has a lossless recording preset on the Maxwell series), but it makes it a squeak on your NLEs and on the computer system itself.  I recall making posts about this on these forums when I first got my 2600k and SSD a number of years ago, but the situations with FRAPS hasn't improved measurably since then.  Alternatives on the other hand have improved many fold.  In the end using H.264 (albeit lossy) encoding to the hard drive with a high enough bitrate to make a suitably transparent recording is far superior for 99.9% of everyone than trying to deal with FRAPS uncompressed (or similar) just to avoid another lossy step.

[Skuzzy]

I agree.  If you're worried about the intermediate file, then make the intermediate file lossless, as described in the YouTube link I posted.  If you're worried about the Elgato (and other USB 2.0 capture devices), then I agree, that's a very legitimate concern.

The main problem with Vegas Pro is that it uses the Mainconcept H.264 encoder, which has inferior quality per bitrate versus the x264 that Handbrake uses.  That's essentially mitigated by most people by cranking the bitrate high enough.

Which is the same solution for the first encoding when saving video to the hard drive.  You can use FRAPS uncompressed or something similar (NVEnc has a lossless recording preset on the Maxwell series), but it makes it a squeak on your NLEs and on the computer system itself.  I recall making posts about this on these forums when I first got my 2600k and SSD a number of years ago, but the situations with FRAPS hasn't improved measurably since then.  Alternatives on the other hand have improved many fold.  In the end using H.264 (albeit lossy) encoding to the hard drive with a high enough bitrate to make a suitably transparent recording is far superior for 99.9% of everyone than trying to deal with FRAPS uncompressed (or similar) just to avoid another lossy step.

With Vegs Pro you can adjust all the sample parameters of the Manconcept encoder, including bitrates (fixed or dynamic, single pass or multi pass as well).  Or you can install the X264 encoder, which is what Handbrake uses and use it.  Or you can use the Youtube encoder (aptly named "Internet") supplied with Vegas Pro so Youtube will not recode it when you upload it.

[BoilerDown]

With Vegs Pro you can adjust all the sample parameters of the Manconcept encoder, including bitrates (fixed or dynamic, single pass or multi pass as well).  Or you can install the X264 encoder, which is what Handbrake uses and use it.  Or you can use the Youtube encoder (aptly named "Internet") supplied with Vegas Pro so Youtube will not recode it when you upload it.

Even if you install the x264 vfw in Vegas, it still isn't as good as using Handbrake:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=914948

The poster known as musicvid10 in that thread is an amazinhunk (if you see his posts on various video encoding forums), but knows what he's talking about.

You can render directly out of Vegas to Handbrake using the frameserve technique discussed in that thread, but I personally have never done that because its only actually faster than an intermediate if you only do one Handbrake render.  I typically do many Handbrake renders, one for YouTube, one high quality archive, one to remain on my computer hard drive, one for mobile devices to show off to friends, etc.  All get encoded differently based primarily on the intended player's requirements and filesize restrictions.  Having the intermediate makes it faster than having to render out of Vegas for each one of those, and I believe the quality is equivalent as long as the intermediate is lossless (its possible the frameserve technique may have some advantage though, I haven't tried it).

[Skuzzy]

Yes, I am subscribed to that forum as well. 

The biggest quality issue one has with Sony Vegas has to do with the source material.  Vegas does not do very well if you are going from one source type it has no template for to another output type.

I too use Handbrake, when needed.  I typically convert the source material with Handbrake to something Vegas can deal with, but it depends on the output encoding as well.

Honestly, there are too many variables in order for one solution to solve them all.

[scott66]

Man I'm so lost lol ok. ..I found the a solution. .I know how to write a check. .I'll just put someone on the payroll if I can't figure this out. I know all the information I need is contained in this thread    thanks to all. .for your time and effort 

[BoilerDown]

Or you can use the Youtube encoder (aptly named "Internet") supplied with Vegas Pro so Youtube will not recode it when you upload it.

I've done some research on this, and I can find no evidence to back up this assertion.

YouTube re-encodes everything, no matter what.  Even if you encoded it to the exact specifications for the highest resolution download YouTube would normally encode it to, YouTube will still re-encode the video.

The best advice is to encode to the highest bitrate you can stand to upload, within the restrictions and recommendations YouTube gives for video uploads, which I've linked in a previous post.

[Chalenge]

First, NO. 

I have to tell you that I use this on a single computer and it works fine even across USB 2.0 (although my controller card is USB 3.0). Used in the precise manner I described (secondary HD controller) it works fine. Of course, if you have an ancient system then probably not.

[BoilerDown]

I have to tell you that I use this on a single computer and it works fine even across USB 2.0 (although my controller card is USB 3.0). Used in the precise manner I described (secondary HD controller) it works fine. Of course, if you have an ancient system then probably not.

Even when it "works fine", it degrades the video quality significantly, because at least at HD resolutions, the video stream can't fit over a USB 2.0 connection without significant lossy compression.

[F77]

All my videos are done using the AH film viewer, sony vegas and a bit of effort... though they probs look that way too...