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Offline oboe

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Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« on: April 18, 2015, 10:25:48 PM »
Is this Ki.61 scheme real or from someone's imagination?   I believe its from the HQ Chutai (blue tail) of the 244th Sentai, but I haven't been able to find any other examples in art or photographs.  Its a real pleasing color scheme:


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Re: Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2015, 10:48:18 PM »
Wonder if someone's took some artistic license and changed the red tail to blue?
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Re: Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2015, 12:20:03 AM »
I found this profile, and its close:



And here is a model of a blue-tailed 244th Ki.61, the subject of which I've seen profiles for:


AFAIK, blue signified command or HQ, White meant 1st Chutai, Red, 2nd, and gold, 3rd.   But its not always that way.

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Re: Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2015, 08:30:47 AM »
When in doubt, call in the lyric1. :D
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Re: Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2015, 12:40:12 PM »
Best plane I can find that matches is of the model photo you posted. It is #43 shown below. No mention of a pilot though who flew anything with a blue tail. One of the photos below says they changed to blue stripes on the fuselage & wings no mention of tails for the Headquarter Ki-61's though? 
I would go with the Japanese magazines they seem to be the most historically accurate with their profiles.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/132966410/39700954-Aircam-Aviation-Kawasaki-Ki61-Ki100-in-Japanese-Army-Air-Force-Service-pdf

https://www.scribd.com/doc/146273926/118-Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien-pdf

https://www.scribd.com/doc/148750114/Bunrindo-Famous-Airplanes-of-the-World-17-Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien-Army-Type-3-Fighter

https://www.scribd.com/doc/211363601/Monografie-Lotnicze-No-5-Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien

https://www.scribd.com/doc/230252472/Model-Art-428-Ki-61-Ki-100-IJA-Type-3-5-Fighter


















« Last Edit: April 19, 2015, 12:43:00 PM by lyric1 »

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Re: Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 04:55:48 AM »
Sorry to say the blue-tailed Tonys are bogus. The tails on some Tonys were red and this meant they were part of an aerial ramming flight (Shinten Seikutai).

For a completely up-to-date survey of Ki-61 and Ki-100 markings, watch out for Osprey's upcoming title on Ki-61 and Ki-100 Aces. It corrects many mistakes currently prevalent in Ki-61 profiles, scale models and artwork.
https://ospreypublishing.com/ki-61-and-ki-100-aces-pb

As a generic pointer I can say the following:
* Tonys with blue tails didn't exist;
* Anti-glare panels well blue-black, which in practice was black or very dark grey (depending on age), with a blueish tone. They were not blue;
* Blue was indeed used for the HQ flights, but this manifested itself mostly in blue stripes and wheel door numbers - never blue tails;
* Spinners were usually painted glossy dark brown. Coloured spinners did exist, but typically only the front part was painted;
* There were no known operational Tonys with red leading edges (unlike what's suggested by some recent sources);
* Droptanks were typically olive brown (officially: "yellow green nr.7") from 1943 onwards and usually blue-grey before that time. Only one well-decorated 244th Sentai Tony was reported to have yellow droptanks, but this was an exception, definitely not the rule.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2015, 04:59:55 AM by Skyraider3D »

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Re: Can someone identify this Ki.61's unit and pilot?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2015, 08:14:20 AM »
Thanks for the info, SkyRaider3D.