HQ Downtimes set for 5 minutes

[icepac]

If you suspect GV at strats or HQ, be a real man and up a GV instead of the typical 7 minute A20 bombweasel mission.

I upped a T34 and drove to my own city the other day and was rewarded with 5 kills.

It's a lot more fun than loading up an a20 and doing what you can do at any front line spawn camp.

If you're gonna go to the city, please dress appropriately.

[scott66]

If you suspect GV at strats or HQ, be a real man and up a GV instead of the typical 7 minute A20 bombweasel mission.

I upped a T34 and drove to my own city the other day and was rewarded with 5 kills.

It's a lot more fun than loading up an a20 and doing what you can do at any front line spawn camp.

If you're gonna go to the city, please dress appropriately.

by the time I would have gotten to the HQ after I spotted them in my ta152 they would have dropped it. .they were in firing position when I spotted them I upped a20 cause personally I prefer them dead BEFORE they drop HQ I had no way of knowing how long they've been there or how much damage the HQ had taken. .but yes I'm allot better at gv ing than I am dropping eggs it took all 8 for me to get t34 ..had I had the time I would have upped a tank ...PS. and for the record none of them complained about me being a bombweasel lol merlin even sent me a salute. (After I augerd into his M3 )

[49MERLIN]

by the time I would have gotten to the HQ after I spotted them in my ta152 they would have dropped it. .they were in firing position when I spotted them I upped a20 cause personally I prefer them dead BEFORE they drop HQ I had no way of knowing how long they've been there or how much damage the HQ had taken. .but yes I'm allot better at gv ing than I am dropping eggs it took all 8 for me to get t34 ..had I had the time I would have upped a tank ...PS. and for the record none of them complained about me being a bombweasel lol merlin even sent me a salute. (After I augerd into his M3 )

For the record... It was a long drive; two more hours than I planned on.  <S> Again to Scott66!!!   Felt like we were dodging him for an hour or so!  The Bish should thank him for having the will and persistence to hunt for people as persistent as the 49th.  As a matter of fact, he was so persistent that we were not able to land one round on target!  Didn't even take the guns off the top.  Also the fact that he augured on me as I was frantically running away caused me to drive right in to 40mm fire about 2.5 seconds after he went down and I died, so <S> to you again for that Scott66.  I was actually happy that someone finally had the will to come get us!  I died with a big smile on my face, even after driving for 5 hours for what most of you would say was no reason. 

<Salute> Scott66, thanks for having the time to fight instead of whine!

[scott66]

For the record... It was a long drive; two more hours than I planned on.  <S> Again to Scott66!!!   Felt like we were dodging him for an hour or so!  The Bish should thank him for having the will and persistence to hunt for people as persistent as the 49th.  As a matter of fact, he was so persistent that we were not able to land one round on target!  Didn't even take the guns off the top.  Also the fact that he augured on me as I was frantically running away caused me to drive right in to 40mm fire about 2.5 seconds after he went down and I died, so <S> to you again for that Scott66.  I was actually happy that someone finally had the will to come get us!  I died with a big smile on my face, even after driving for 5 hours for what most of you would say was no reason. 

<Salute> Scott66, thanks for having the time to fight instead of whine!

it was a fun one merlin lol like I said on 200 I almost didn't have the heart to drop eggs on you. .with the terrain, bushes,trees and mountains I knew it was a long one. .it's not like you can auto climb and go afk...cheers to your dedication to your missions  <S>

[vHACKv]

Whoa wait a minute, you mean get in a tank and go engage in combat to defend your strat/HQ? This is WW2 combat sim, I doubt there is historical precedent of this. If you can find any please post it here. The M3 was coded with the howitzer to only take out ack at other Vbases, and be spawn camp bait. Find me evidence to the contrary, picture or screenshots or it did not happen. Without my dar bar comfort blanket, I will not know within 2 planes how many are attacking my flashing base, or where exactly they are. I don't think that is how it worked in WW2, they had hyper-capable in plane radar with IFF capabilities right? You knew where all friendlies were at all times in flight then, why would a bunch of tankers take that away and discourage combat? This is not proper virtuous combat with honor! All deviations from honorable 1v1 combat in the MA will be flamed on the forum! That is not historically accurate and without precedent durring WW2. Oh and that only happened from December 8, 1941 to August 15, 1945. All other events and times did not exist because 'Merica was not there.

I love this community, you keep me busy on slow work days

[Wiley]

Whoa wait a minute, you mean get in a tank and go engage in combat to defend your strat/HQ? This is WW2 combat sim, I doubt there is historical precedent of this. If you can find any please post it here. The M3 was coded with the howitzer to only take out ack at other Vbases, and be spawn camp bait. Find me evidence to the contrary, picture or screenshots or it did not happen. Without my dar bar comfort blanket, I will not know within 2 planes how many are attacking my flashing base, or where exactly they are. I don't think that is how it worked in WW2, they had hyper-capable in plane radar with IFF capabilities right? You knew where all friendlies were at all times in flight then, why would a bunch of tankers take that away and discourage combat? This is not proper virtuous combat with honor! All deviations from honorable 1v1 combat in the MA will be flamed on the forum! That is not historically accurate and without precedent durring WW2. Oh and that only happened from December 8, 1941 to August 15, 1945. All other events and times did not exist because 'Merica was not there.

I love this community, you keep me busy on slow work days

This is not WWII.  It is a combat game.  That's all that needs to be said.

By your playstyle, it appears to be a concept that escapes you, but many of the people here really enjoy actively engaging enemy players.  Removing darbar and dar means the flashing base might be due to one guy in a jeep in a barn somewhere, or a bunch of enemy aircraft inbound.  Without the information provided by bardar, they have no way of knowing.  Recon to determine if there is actually something worth being there for is not fun for most.

I can hear the "Well they need to man up and use awesome I have 4 hours to devote to looking for 3 GVs in a few hundred square miles strategery!" reply beginning to formulate.  That is neither desirable nor an option for most people.  Communication is sketchy at best.  Right or wrong, it's how it is.

Your playstyle is bad for the game, and you should feel bad.

Wiley.

[JunkyII]

Unfortunately no game simulates actual combat or I'd be playing that one. What the game gives from human fighting  humans is the unpredictability of combat....when you do things to remove this from the game....you...in a lot of people's mind...ruin it. That's why I hate the idea of AI...it's just not the same.

[DubiousKB]

Thanks HTC, seems a bit less detrimental to player base while maintianing a large group effort to put the HQ down for a reasonable amount of time. 

[masterjock]

I see Snailman's point, and could possibly agree with some changes that improve gameplay during off hours without removing the full spectrum of options available, including taking out HQ. Maybe removing dot dar, but leaving dar bar? My main point is that the play my way because your way makes it harder on me doesn't cut the mustard. Possibly having a ranked dueling arena for those who only want to dogfight, so that the MA could be for those who are more interested in the whole strategic spectrum might be an option. Ultimately, I'm glad I'm not in HiTech's shoes, having to find the even ground and make the most number of players satisfied. It's really an impossible task.

Well put Copprhead, I play a WAR GAME! I don't play in the DA, were most of you should be playing.  I see the usual crowd embedded in the bbs inciting change to our game again cause we cant furbal we have no radar Boohoo! The 88 guns ruining the game Boohoo! and my favorite You ho bag are you have no ACM hoeing all you know lol, and how many time have you heard it said on 200 Get out of that base gun up a plane blank blank?  My point is whiny pilots don't like it so change it. Enough when your strat city or factory is under attack up your aircraft go stop them. Someone said by the time the dar was flashing it was to late lol really, most of your strats are located deep in your territory you can easily spot the enemy 3 maybe more sectors away heading towards your strats more than plenty of time to get up to 30k (and by the way 30k alt is one of the B29 means to defend itself)  use a 163 or 152 or whatever. This is not a case of the game being broke just lazy players and if your so concern that it gives 1 player power over the arena then I suggest you do what has always work before up a plane and fight the war and if they sneak in noe or drive for hours on end then thats the enemy doing what the enemy does its part of the magic of the game simulated war. Let me reiterate WAR GAME MA! Guys there is arena called the DA made for fur balling, don't have to worry about 88's, city strats, and you can whine till your heart is content so use it and stop poaching on my playground I like it the way Hi Tech intended the game to work and yes improvements are always needed. Think I'm wrong look at your history and tell me this is the last whine for some change to benefit some. I cant wait to see the negative commits come showering in but I'm right the pilots don't go to the DA cause they want to furbal in the war arena (MA) were they stay tune on 200 talking smack and what not whining for change when there is already place for them with all the things they wish for they just don't use it. So yes you are whining for change constantly for yourselves despite the rest of us. The DA has running water, power, bars, (fully stock with whatever you want) and No. #1 toilets use it let Hi Tech take care of the game improvements

[Canspec]

I think Hitech did just take care of the game improvements......

[JVboob]

Apart from playing style difference, it mostly matters what timezone one is flying in. The rare tiems I fly durign US prime, there's a good chance there's a battle or furball going on somwhere. "Where's the fight?" works well during that time.

During off hours... not so much.

i play 0730-1000hrs Central Standard Time. the "off time" hours still no issues finding fights, taking bases, or bombing bases. just cant be lazy and there are alot of lazyones

[Lusche]

i play 0730-1000hrs Central Standard Time. the "off time" hours still no issues finding fights, taking bases, or bombing bases. just cant be lazy and there are alot of lazyones

I have no issue capturing or bombing bases in offline mode either...
Besides, that's already several hours after low peak. Numbers have more than doubled by that time. I mostly fly at noon here, which translates to 4-5 am CST.

[Grin]

See this?



We upped 4 or 5 sets of bombers with some escorts last night. Bombers left about 15 or 20 minutes ahead of the escorts on a flightpath optimized for climbing in friendly territory, who picked them up at 23,000ft. We proceeded to climb into a tailwind at about 27,000, eastbound for the Bish city. Halfway to target, in the middle of the water, completely outside of any enemy dar rings, we had a pair of 262s bear DIRECTLY in on the group. Escorts chased them off and regrouped. At the target, we had what seemed like 20 defenders come up, with an apparent force of approximately 75% a mixture of 163s and 262s, with a 109 or 190 here and there. Approximately 50% of the bombers were able to drop on target against those odds due to a defensively oriented bomber formation and appropriately selected escort aircraft for the mission parameters, even with Brother Cybro parked on (honored by the team as) our channel.

Were our HQ down, we still would have run the mission; in fact, the HQ being down may have been advantageous to us. We don't rely on radar. We plan the route beforehand, plan for stiff resistance, have flights broken up into elements with individual responsibilities INCLUDING watching for contacts. We simply use FSO tactics in the MA.

--The last time I saw a Bishop large force bomber raid come into Rook territory, they came in a formation that offered little defense. They brought no little friends. They came in about 22,000 feet, on a direct bearing through the heart of Rook territory making a beeline to the city across multiple bases without dodging radar. This resulted in 15-20 or so 110s, 410s, 190s, 109s, and a Mossy or two meeting them at the target, and knocking down all but a single B17, who we escorted out of Rook territory before somebody went Independence Day up his belly while we were deciding whether or not to let him go.

Fight how you train, train how you fight. 

[Zimme83]

Lol, we forgot that the 49:ers is way above the reso of us. 
The reason for not having large bomber formations is excatly what you are decribing. A large formation attracts so many defenders that even with ecort it will have a hard time to get trough. I have seen forations of 8 bombers being dismantled in a matter of minutes and damage done to strats are equal to what 1 set can do. With B-17 i drop a factory to 25-30% or city to 70-80%. Its just a waste of time to bring more bombers and risk to attract too many uppers. If u go alone noone up until after drop.

[vHACKv]

This is not WWII.  It is a combat game.  That's all that needs to be said.

By your playstyle, it appears to be a concept that escapes you, but many of the people here really enjoy actively engaging enemy players.  Removing darbar and dar means the flashing base might be due to one guy in a jeep in a barn somewhere, or a bunch of enemy aircraft inbound.  Without the information provided by bardar, they have no way of knowing.  Recon to determine if there is actually something worth being there for is not fun for most.

I can hear the "Well they need to man up and use awesome I have 4 hours to devote to looking for 3 GVs in a few hundred square miles strategery!" reply beginning to formulate.  That is neither desirable nor an option for most people.  Communication is sketchy at best.  Right or wrong, it's how it is.

Your playstyle is bad for the game, and you should feel bad.

Wiley.

I think the satire was lost on you. The accusations that my "play style" does not encourage combat is amusing as well. I am almost constantly looking to engage in a fight... unless I am hitting a strat, then I am expecting one. Had some guys find my tank the other day at the ammo strat, was able to shoot 2 of them down before I ran out of ammo and towered. One of the reasons behind our aggressive and constant 'anti-social' strat hitting, is we are sick of being rolled every morning while few to no Rook players are on to defend. So If we can get some guys to RAGEQUIT and be lazy instead of defending their strats and bases, that helps us build a buffer for the 4-7am bish base roll.

I will NEVER feel bad for killing strats.