Red Tails

[WEZEL]

Sorry the movie was just another love story with no story line

[Butcher]

Wasn't there a P-51 that Ho's an Me-262 and the 51 pilot gets riddled with bullets?

/think that is when I walked out...I refer to such movies like this as "Movies never to be named again..." same goes for Pearl Harbor. Then again 99% of the audience probably doesn't know we didn't have nuclear POWERED SHIPS at pearl harbor.

[Chilli]

What is less mmmmm historical?  Using authentic equipment but with incorrect markings / mistaken identification, OR computer generated models    ?

I think we are a bit shaded after playing with our cartoon aircraft (and dem good ones too!).

I get the rub, but when I want authenticity, I pull out the CAF disk and watch hours of real WW2 and other period war planes. 

Here is another example:  My wife changed careers (after injury) from nurse with an oncology unit, and re-trained to be certified paralegal.  Now, I can't watch any Law and Order, OR Scrubs (actually just about any show that has a scene in an operating room, or courtroom), without her pointing out obvious flawed sterile procedures or legal proceedings.    And it truly gets under her skin, while I'm like thinking, "Well, they are acting, and I don't think anyone actually got hurt or had their rights stepped on..... can we get back to the plot?"

[cpxxx]

I also thought the Red Tails was a poor movie, cliché ridden and often ridiculous. I can tolerate errors, hey it's just a movie but I switched off half way through in disgust. I felt it was a disservice to the real pilots. It made them look like a bunch of cowboys. Exactly the opposite of what they were in reality. Benjamin O Davis must be spinning in his grave.

When it comes to aerial sequences I often wince at the inaccuracies but I liked Top Gun when it came out even though I knew almost every aspect of the air combat sequences were ridiculous. Plus the idea of a civilian female 'air combat' expert was silly, at the time. But Kelly McGillis was cute and I could overlook that.

But movies and TV have to mess with authenticity for the sake of entertainment. Like Chili's example. My wife is a Laboratory Manager in a hospital. She loves her hospital dramas and mostly suspends belief but occasionally points out where they get it really wrong. Like getting a test done in five minutes with a full diagnosis of the problem. If only! Plus don't watch a legal drama with her sister the lawyer!

But if there's a good story with the movie you can easily ignore the failings. Red Tails was not one of those movies.

[FLOOB]

When I watched it I got the impression that it was a movie for children like star wars or raiders of the lost arc. In that context it isn't bad.

[Guppy35]

I must be talking to myself .

How many of you experts turned off Flying Tigers with John Wayne?  Did Claire Chennault turn over in his grave?

It was aimed at a younger not educated on WW2 aviation crowd in the hopes it might get them to pick up a book.

What's amazing to me is all the cartoon airplane experts who claim to be experts

So let me illustrate my point one more time



Oldest son way back when post Top Gun watching (minus a few scenes 😀). Probably should have walked out of course cause it was so far fetched as telling a story always takes second place to rivet counters....

[FBKampfer]

We hear you, we just don't agree.

They didn't have to make it so campy just to tell a good story.

Replace that idiotic tail flip with an extended dog fight, and you've got a much cooler scene AND you don't violate physics.

[guncrasher]

I must be talking to myself .

How many of you experts turned off Flying Tigers with John Wayne?  Did Claire Chennault turn over in his grave?

It was aimed at a younger not educated on WW2 aviation crowd in the hopes it might get them to pick up a book.

What's amazing to me is all the cartoon airplane experts who claim to be experts

So let me illustrate my point one more time

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Oldest son way back when post Top Gun watching (minus a few scenes 😀). Probably should have walked out of course cause it was so far fetched as telling a story always takes second place to rivet counters....

guppy, I think your kid has the same expression that merlin had "you gonna do what????"



semp

[Wiley]

We hear you, we just don't agree.

They didn't have to make it so campy just to tell a good story.

Lucas had commented in an interview somewhere that he was going more for the Flying Tigers propaganda type feel than realism.

Replace that idiotic tail flip with an extended dog fight, and you've got a much cooler scene AND you don't violate physics.

Practically any movie violates physics, and the expectation is the masses can't follow it and get bored.  Most moviemakers think people are idiots and treat them as such.

Has an actual technical fighter v fighter dogfight ever been put to film in a popular movie?  I can't think of one offhand though I'm sure there are plenty of airplane movies I've missed.

People saw 5 seconds of indy kick flip kill enemy unexpectedly, they understood 'that guy is apparently good pilot'.  Takes less time than a minute or so of rolling scissors as the two work back and forth toward advantage culminating in one of them getting shot down.

I honestly think done correctly, it could be an awesome sequence.  Tension building as they get closer and closer to a firing solution.  But it would need to be done extremely well to allow people who don't understand ACM to understand what's going on.  It's a lot easier to use on of the tropes airplane movies have used over the years.

I was WAY more irked at the HO with the 262 where the ground crew said, "We've secretly replaced Klaus's 30mm cannons with 8mm machine guns.  Let's see if he notices!"

Wiley.

[zack1234]

Sorry the movie was just another love story with no story line

i like love stories

i thought the film was alright

Brokeback Mountain won a oscar and it was full of faults, to many to mention, so Pipz said.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Watched red tails last night. Sooo disappointed in how they portrayed everyone and everything.

No one acted like a officer, none of those pilots acted anything more then your common street kids who somehow knew how to fly planes.

The only part i liked was the p51's all leave the bombers alone and you can hear clearly "rable rable rable rable" as they flew off. I LAUGHED at that, hard.




Otherwise i give it a negative 5. Yes it was that bad.

[Zimme83]

Also gave up after less than half of the film. it had the potential to be a great movie but its not, The flight scenes just s**k and the rest of the moive isnt doing anything to help it up.

[Guppy35]

No one has answered my question yet.  How many of you turned off John Wayne in Flying Tigers?  It's essentially the same film.  What part of that movie was an actual representation of the real tigers beyond the name?

If you turned that one off for the same reasons as Redtails I can accept your argument.  If you didn't, explain why this film is different?

[Zimme83]

Havent seen it.

[Chilli]

Don't bother to understand Guppy, it is just the current state of know it all we have been in.  Seriously, if we would all man up and tell the truth, a lot would admit to have been turned off to the movie simply on subject matter. 

All that matters is those wonderful kids of yours, continue to be brought up in a loving home.   Let them know that they will always find vocal opposition to whatever they find endearing.  That is simply what many, not only us Americans, have fought and even died to protect, "freedom" including freedom of speech.  Please sign to your youngest for me....

"Be brave."
    - Chilli