My first "Black Gun"

[Nefarious]

Thanks Nef and Hein.

Range was open to public last week-end and this week-end for hunter rifle scoping so I opted to wait a week.
I prefer to shoot when 'necks are not sighting in their kindle sticks.

Same happens here too, I try to avoid it as well. They shoot me looks when I arrive with an AKM and start double tapping or more. 

I try to go during football games, on Saturday or Sunday, usually a little less crowded.

[Ripsnort]

Same happens here too, I try to avoid it as well. They shoot me looks when I arrive with an AKM and start double tapping or more. 

I try to go during football games, on Saturday or Sunday, usually a little less crowded.

[Vulcan]

Same happens here too, I try to avoid it as well. They shoot me looks when I arrive with an AKM and start double tapping or more. 

I try to go during football games, on Saturday or Sunday, usually a little less crowded.

I hate spammers at the range, banging away, never clean up their brass. But I suppose if you can't do the job with the first shot....

[Zacherof]

Just out of curiosity any of y'all use Elcan scopes? I'm looking at a specter type with 1x and 4x. I have one on my service m4 but haven't put it through abuse of age and time as it's the navy's and not mine and don't really use it a lot ( 3 times a year )

[Nefarious]

I hate spammers at the range, banging away, never clean up their brass. But I suppose if you can't do the job with the first shot....

I police my brass. We have public ranges and its important to me to keep them clean to keep them open.

Banging away. All part of the great freedom of my state. You shoot your guns, I'll shoot mine.

[Ripsnort]

I police my brass. We have public ranges and its important to me to keep them clean to keep them open.

Banging away. All part of the great freedom of my state. You shoot your guns, I'll shoot mine.

As do I, as does our gun club. Brooms behind every stall.
I save ALL my brass, pick it up, except the 7.62mm steel case stuff (that I used on my SKS that eats anything) that's so cheap, not worth it.
Someday, when I retire, I plan to reload so brass is money saved for the future! (.45-70, .45 caliber)
IMO, .223 rem/5.56 nato is still too cheap out there to consider reloading.

[Nefarious]

As do I, as does our gun club. Brooms behind every stall.
I save ALL my brass, pick it up, except the 7.62mm steel case stuff (that I used on my SKS that eats anything) that's so cheap, not worth it.
Someday, when I retire, I plan to reload so brass is money saved for the future! (.45-70, .45 caliber)
IMO, .223 rem/5.56 nato is still too cheap out there to consider reloading.

Its common to see brass pickers who pick it up and recycle it for cash.  I clean up after myself and also please pick up other peoples who didn't.

Public ranges are a privilege, trashing them is something that jerks do.

[Ripsnort]

I came down with Colt M4 Carbine flu today so it was time to hit the gun range. 

[Gman]

Zach, I have several older Elcans (they are Canadian surplus, usually with the tritium dimming a bit) - these aren't the latest variant, but still great glass for the 400$ I used to buy them for.  The Specter is considered one of the best combat scopes out there, you can flick it quickly from no to full power with the same eye relief, and it's super, super glass, I've only looked through one once in a shop, but it's fantastic - just not cheap, it makes an NSN Acog look inexpensive.  In fact, you can buy 2 or 3 entry level AR rifles for the price of one Elcan Specter. 

If you can afford it, probably hard to find a better combat scope.  I'd have bought one, but got my Leupold CQBSS already when a good deal on one came around. 

[Slash27]

Zach, I have several older Elcans (they are Canadian surplus, usually with the tritium dimming a bit) - these aren't the latest variant, but still great glass for the 400$ I used to buy them for.  The Specter is considered one of the best combat scopes out there, you can flick it quickly from no to full power with the same eye relief, and it's super, super glass, I've only looked through one once in a shop, but it's fantastic - just not cheap, it makes an NSN Acog look inexpensive.  In fact, you can buy 2 or 3 entry level AR rifles for the price of one Elcan Specter. 

If you can afford it, probably hard to find a better combat scope.  I'd have bought one, but got my Leupold CQBSS already when a good deal on one came around.

Damn, no wonder I never see anyone running an Elcan

[Vulcan]

Banging away. All part of the great freedom of my state. You shoot your guns, I'll shoot mine.

Well spamming away is also not good for suppressors ... oh wait what was that about freedom 

[WaffenVW]

Not if the suppressor isn't designed for it, but there are lots of suppressors made for automatic weapons.

[Nefarious]

Well spamming away is also not good for suppressors ... oh wait what was that about freedom 

I can own supressors,  full autos and short barrel rifles and shotguns. A $200 fee and some paperwork similar to the standard background check is the only requirement.  In fact, I'm waiting for my SBR tax stamp at this moment, building an AK short barrel rifle.

[Ripsnort]

Nef, not that I'm interested but what does it take to get a Class 3 license?
I see some pretty cool old stuff up for auction at auction sites like RIA but some require a Class 3 license...

[Nefarious]

Nef, not that I'm interested but what does it take to get a Class 3 license?
I see some pretty cool old stuff up for auction at auction sites like RIA but some require a Class 3 license...

I created a thread describing the entire process on that "other board".

But in short...

Download 5320.1 and 922B from ATF.gov

922B is a document that proves your a US citizen. 5320.1 is the actual paperwork to build an SBR or SBS. The paperwork to buy a silencer or Automatic is different but essentially the same.  Fill out paperwork in duplicate and have your local sheriff or state police sign off on it. IF your sheriff or CLEO will not sign off on it, you must go the trust route, which involves hiring a lawyer and creating a trust.  Get your passport photo taken twice and affix it to paperwork as well as a FBI fingerprint cards (twice).

Mail to ATF with check or Credit Card Info and mail to ATF in Georgia.

West Virginia is a shall issue state with Class III now, so my sheriff must sign off on any Class III paperwork I bring him. I can't stress enough to make sure you are doing it right and double, triple and quadruple check your paperwork.

I had mine sent back to me to make corrections.  I quickly sent them back... It takes 3-4 months from what I have read. I also have read that people doing the trust route are able to do the whole process online, which takes much less time to process. I have read that some people doing it online have gotten it back in a month or two.

I would read and youtube and get all the details to make sure you are on the right path if you decide to do it.