How or Why we will reverse global warming

[eagl]

Besides, we're advancing beyond material want. We're at the point where profitability should no longer be the driving factor.

And now the true motivation behind the warmist movement comes out, an anti-industrial socialist agenda.  Thank you for showing what its really all about.

[FBKampfer]

And now the true motivation behind the warmist movement comes out, an anti-industrial socialist agenda.  Thank you for showing what its really all about.

They're separate issues. What do you think will happen when AI is created? All human labor will be obsolete.

The day AI is created is the day capitalism comes crashing down, as the "market value" of labor is kicked out from under it.

[Skyyr]

They're separate issues. What do you think will happen when AI is created? All human labor will be obsolete.

The day AI is created is the day capitalism comes crashing down, as the "market value" of labor is kicked out from under it.

The "day AI is created." Ah, yes, the infallible, non-existent, yet somehow inevitable "AI." The "AI" that requires humans for its creation, yet will surpass them once created and replace their work entirely. The first and final coming of the great "AI."

Ummm... yeah... I though religious discussions weren't allowed here?

[bustr]

I think the automated fast food robots that can pop out your fast food order in a few minutes are a bigger threat than AI. Where in the US at least will teenagers get their first work experience after all the $15hr 30 something burger flippers are replaced by Robby the robotic burger flippers? Social justice sure is expensive for those it's supposed to help. Unintended consequence's be damnd, it will just take more money fleeced from the few people who still work for a living to make it work some day. I guess that's one way to advance some of us past material want, wealth redistribution at gunpoint. Oops, by IRS coercion.

In all of Roddenberry's writings he never wrote the story of how Earth went from a work for monetary sustenance reward society to everyone getting everything visa replicators. Always wondered in the few movies that showed earth and the civilian apartments the officers lived in, how did they pay for such obvious elite upscale dwellings. Or was there some magic all pigs are equal but, we accept some are more equal and so naturally deserve more than the rest of us. Or the first new Star Trek movie and Kirk's stepdad owning that vintage Corvett...

We are going to end up with AI because no one will be able to afford to eat McDonalds other wise. Including those poor social justice recipients and college grads in Seattle who were supposed to get an enhanced quality of living because the evil capitalists were forced at gun point to raise wages or else. And all those jobs Americans won't do. Japanese won't either, so their robotics industry is inventing machines that will, better than humans ever did. Including that old illegal alien BS story about picking strawberry's. There is a very good $50,000 strawberry picking robot now. Wonder if the current white house has been keeping those out of the country so far as a form of protectionism.

Japan is pioneering automated hot meal robotics that can create meals with an equal taste, visual and texture profile to those created by humans. They are showing up everywhere in Tokyo. Swipe your money card, pick your meal, minutes later, a hot cooked meal your momma would envy. They used biometric and biochemical profiles to make sure at the enzymatic level the meals have the same taste profiles as human cooked meals. And no chance someone will spit in your order and give you hepatitis or worse........

And, and, they are making advancements in home robotics and exoskeletons for the elderly to continue taking care of themselves. Seems generational filial piety is on the same wane in Japan as it is in the West.

[Zimme83]

Good luck with that. 

Would probably be nice but not very realistic. Imo it is about replacing old technology with new one. Electric cars for example, If we fix the energy storage problem they are far better than a car with combustion engine.
It isn't about move back to the caves, it is about do what we do in a smarter way. Carbonhydrates as the main energy source is a dead end, its irrelevant if it takes 30 or 80 years, we will face the end of that era sooner or later. Most likely within this century.
My standpoint is that since we know it there is no point to wait, its better to start the transition to other energy sources now and use the time to get a smooth transition.

As I said earlier, another issue is that economic development means more need for energy and that is equal to more need for oil. By 2050 demand for oil will increase with 300-1000% if the poor countries develop in the same pace as they do now. If the demand is bigger than the production capacity it will have a huge negative impact on the economy.

[FLS]

Efficiency has always come from the competitive free market.  Free markets decrease poverty. The standard of living in the world, bad as it is in places, is the highest it's ever been.  In the US kids are so spoiled they have to make up new stuff to be upset about.

[Zimme83]

I have not said anything about not having a free market. But if we ends up in a situation were the supply of natural resources not can meet the demand the economy can no longer grow. It also increase the risk of conflicts over natural resources.  A free market isnt dependent on a specific energy source. 

Edit: we can also add the pollution problem, several major cities have so polluted air that it is harmful to humans and we need to find a way to deal with that too.

Edit2: A report from BP, they estimate the present reserves to last for 52,5 years...
http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy/oil-review-by-energy-type/oil-reserves.html

[DmonSlyr]

Free markets are great until the rest of the lower valued markets start undercutting you and stealing your workforce/production, there by destroying the working foundation in your own country whose standards and practices are much higher than others.

I agree with Trump that we need a "Fair market" in this country to battle places like China and Indonesia stealing our production and workforce for a so called "free market".

If you want to start seeing better fundamental changes in the U.S start with that.


In this world, everything comes down to the $ sign. There are plenty of better energy sources out there, one being Magnetic Motors, but if it cost too much to build for a nonprofitable reward, there is no sense in building it.

The problem is that our gas and Oil is run on the stock market so therefore you divide a country buy killing Oil (which hurts a lot of people's pockets), When you kill OIL the whole market follows and so everyone loses. This is a game by the government to keep oil valuable.

Eventually it will fizzle out like how old technology becomes obsolete, but expect that to have a drastic impact on the markets along with a lot of pissed off people who lose on their investments. It will take the world time and money to transition and that is something a lot of people fear.

[bustr]

Only BP has made the 53.3 year assessment after creating a spill in the Gulf of Mexico which they are kissing huge booty to get their brownie points back, and not loose any more money.

Here is the disclaimer from their study:

The data series for proved oil reserves in this year’s Review does not necessarily meet the definitions, guidelines and practices used for determining proved reserves at company level, for instance as published by the US Securities and Exchange Commission nor does it necessarily represent BP's view of proved reserves by country. Rather the data series has been compiled using a combination of primary official sources and third-party data.

A corporation only includes language like this to avoid being sued later for fraud.
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US producers at this time are effectively being strangled from developing the US shale reserves by a president who will never get any of the loans back from all the failed clean energy companies that had Obama bucks thrown at them. And the US shale reserves were not included in BP's calculations. Lets see, only 50 years remaining for oil, the world is growing too fast, so a new sooner disaster is looming than global warming by 2100. Especially with the constant stream of problems being found in the computer modeling. Sounds more like global warming is loosing it's power over the masses and a new disaster is needed to keep the money and power acquisition coming in for someone.

Conservative estimates on the US shale reserves is 200 years along with being able to export oil in competition with OPEC. Israel may have just found a reserve bigger than the Saudi fields.

At the same time 1st world auto and aviation manufacturers are killing themselves to create more efficient and less polluting engines every time you turn around.

And all governments who attend the UN knows about China's new cities with coal smog blocking out the sky including not being able to see between skyscrapers in some cases. It is the worst that the world has ever seen, and no American city was ever this bad.

[Zimme83]

Other  sources say the same thing, most of them are even more pessimistic.

[Brooke]

People worried about automation should consider that, historically, automation has drastically increased global GDP and standard of living.  Yes, some people are put out of work by an automation advance.  But -- lots more people make more money and are put into work by it.

For example, almost no one would argue that the Industrial Revolution didn't create vastly more jobs and wealth than it destroyed.

Consider automation in the textile industry (power looms, etc.).  It put some weavers out of work (the Luddites), but it greatly boosted the textile industry so that it soon employed 100's of thousands of new workers, drove down the cost of textiles so that more people could afford them, and created opportunities in other industries thereby.

[FLS]

I have not said anything about not having a free market.

I was responding to FBKampfer.

 

Free markets are great until the rest of the lower valued markets start undercutting you and stealing your workforce/production, there by destroying the working foundation in your own country whose standards and practices are much higher than others.

You're suggesting limiting competition. That stifles innovation and efficiency and causes higher prices that hurt poor people.

[Zimme83]

I was responding to FBKampfer.

 
You're suggesting limiting competition. That stifles innovation and efficiency and causes higher prices that hurt poor people.

Sorry, thought it was a response to me.

[DmonSlyr]

I was responding to FBKampfer.

 
You're suggesting limiting competition. That stifles innovation and efficiency and causes higher prices that hurt poor people.

We should be competing with our own country. Free market does not work out very well for the country that is already valued higher.

People worried about automation should consider that, historically, automation has drastically increased global GDP and standard of living.  Yes, some people are put out of work by an automation advance.  But -- lots more people make more money and are put into work by it.

For example, almost no one would argue that the Industrial Revolution didn't create vastly more jobs and wealth than it destroyed.

Consider automation in the textile industry (power looms, etc.).  It put some weavers out of work (the Luddites), but it greatly boosted the textile industry so that it soon employed 100's of thousands of new workers, drove down the cost of textiles so that more people could afford them, and created opportunities in other industries thereby.

That's great and all, until all those jobs get shipped over to South Asia and don't really benefit Americans like they should, meanwhile the global markets undercut us and bring our nation down as a whole. It's great to provide for more jobs and more businsess to people but it doesn't do a a whole lot when those jobs and production materials leave America, sure we are left with cheap products, but we are also left with a cheap society. I don't see that being a good thing when our society wasn't built on being cheap.

[Brooke]

That's great and all, until all those jobs get shipped over to South Asia and don't really benefit Americans like they should, meanwhile the global markets undercut us and bring our nation down as a whole. It's great to provide for more jobs and more businsess to people but it doesn't do a a whole lot when those jobs and production materials leave America, sure we are left with cheap products, but we are also left with a cheap society. I don't see that being a good thing when our society wasn't built on being cheap.

You still haven't read Basic Economics, by Sowell.

You have talked before about the importance of investment in education.  But if you are not willing to read even one book to go from knowing almost nothing about a vital topic (how economies work) to knowing a lot, it turns out you don't value education much after all.