How or Why we will reverse global warming

[bustr]

So far for the end of the industrial revolution and our current point in the technology revolution, many of the 1st world industrialized nations are turning into welfare states with no real end in sight to the growing numbers on their roles. I see no vision by any of these countries about where this is supposed to end up. Or what is next to insure people can still be productive and earn the funds to pay for the products companies need purchased to keep the whole Catch-22 circle moving. Unless governments look at welfare now like IT hardware companies during the DotCom boom who gave their customers loans to buy their products. We know how that worked out.

You see fewer productive citizens paying more taxes as a consequence of modernization. Though in Scandinavian countries and the British isles, they have enjoyed a short hiatus due to their sea oil profits which will not last much longer. But, did make it possible to have very generous state welfare benefits. Wonder what happens to those countries when the sea oil runs out?

With robotics supplanting and manual labor factory jobs moving out of the 1st world western nations, how do you survive as service dominated nations? Service produces nothing and can be replaced by computer programs and robots like Japan is pushing the envelope with. The governments cannot continue to punish the dwindling supply of taxpayers with nothing to replace tax revenue sources or factory jobs to get citizens off the welfare roles. A good example is American Social Security where originally you had about 60 employed factory workers paying in to every one retired using those benefits. Today, maybe two employed workers paying in to every person receiving benefits.

It's also a canard to say people just have to get an education and make themselves competitive. What do you do with everyone else who has an education but didn't make the cut, and all those who just don't have it much past a High School education? It's a fallacy to keep saying they have to get educated in countries that mandate education by law until 12th grade. You have a very effective process to level out your population and in the end, it comes out the same every time.

80% needing factory or manual jobs with 20% highly competitive and or creating companies. Many of those new companies in the 1st world because the 20% creating them are not economically suicidal, are aimed at utilizing other 20%ers for their brains, not their manual dexterity. If manual production is needed, it's outsourced to China, India, Asia, South America or Mexico. Who in the west can afford to purchase their own goods if they are produced in the west without some government subsidy at some point in the process?

Technology really makes us redundant and less efficient to the bottom line of any company trying to compete globally and fulfill it's obligation to shareholders. The welfare state and how it is exacerbated or gotten past will define how the 1st world nations of this planet move forward. China and India are both happy to let 1b of their population rot in the country side scratching out a living from the soil. The west doesn't have that option due to how we have divorced our cultures from the land post WW2 for technology and modernism.

I don't see lines of recent college graduates begging to work the fields here in the U.S. so they can get back on the farm. While in Seattle all the kids with masters and doctorate degrees are being fired from their burger flipping and barista jobs over the new $15hr minimum wage. And in Japan, fishing and farming industries are disappearing because everyone wants to be one of the 20% and live in Tokyo or other Japanese big cities.

So global warming nor oil availability is our real looming problem. The next big problem will be ourselves and how we are divorced from the outcomes technology has made available over night to those who don't want to think about us as the 7billion pound and getting fatter gorilla in the room. The industrial revolution was fast but, still at a manageable speed for the human condition.

I Guess we should all start scratching dirt.

[Zoney]

After 25 pages of educated opinions, I would like to suggest that for many of the posters here, the best way to improve our future is for you not to have children.

[DmonSlyr]

So far for the end of the industrial revolution and our current point in the technology revolution, many of the 1st world industrialized nations are turning into welfare states with no real end in sight to the growing numbers on their roles. I see no vision by any of these countries about where this is supposed to end up. Or what is next to insure people can still be productive and earn the funds to pay for the products companies need purchased to keep the whole Catch-22 circle moving. Unless governments look at welfare now like IT hardware companies during the DotCom boom who gave their customers loans to buy their products. We know how that worked out.

You see fewer productive citizens paying more taxes as a consequence of modernization. Though in Scandinavian countries and the British isles, they have enjoyed a short hiatus due to their sea oil profits which will not last much longer. But, did make it possible to have very generous state welfare benefits. Wonder what happens to those countries when the sea oil runs out?

With robotics supplanting and manual labor factory jobs moving out of the 1st world western nations, how do you survive as service dominated nations? Service produces nothing and can be replaced by computer programs and robots like Japan is pushing the envelope with. The governments cannot continue to punish the dwindling supply of taxpayers with nothing to replace tax revenue sources or factory jobs to get citizens off the welfare roles. A good example is American Social Security where originally you had about 60 employed factory workers paying in to every one retired using those benefits. Today, maybe two employed workers paying in to every person receiving benefits.

It's also a canard to say people just have to get an education and make themselves competitive. What do you do with everyone else who has an education but didn't make the cut, and all those who just don't have it much past a High School education? It's a fallacy to keep saying they have to get educated in countries that mandate education by law until 12th grade. You have a very effective process to level out your population and in the end, it comes out the same every time.

80% needing factory or manual jobs with 20% highly competitive and or creating companies. Many of those new companies in the 1st world because the 20% creating them are not economically suicidal, are aimed at utilizing other 20%ers for their brains, not their manual dexterity. If manual production is needed, it's outsourced to China, India, Asia, South America or Mexico. Who in the west can afford to purchase their own goods if they are produced in the west without some government subsidy at some point in the process?

Technology really makes us redundant and less efficient to the bottom line of any company trying to compete globally and fulfill it's obligation to shareholders. The welfare state and how it is exacerbated or gotten past will define how the 1st world nations of this planet move forward. China and India are both happy to let 1b of their population rot in the country side scratching out a living from the soil. The west doesn't have that option due to how we have divorced our cultures from the land post WW2 for technology and modernism.

I don't see lines of recent college graduates begging to work the fields here in the U.S. so they can get back on the farm. While in Seattle all the kids with masters and doctorate degrees are being fired from their burger flipping and barista jobs over the new $15hr minimum wage. And in Japan, fishing and farming industries are disappearing because everyone wants to be one of the 20% and live in Tokyo or other Japanese big cities.

So global warming nor oil availability is our real looming problem. The next big problem will be ourselves and how we are divorced from the outcomes technology has made available over night to those who don't want to think about us as the 7billion pound and getting fatter gorilla in the room. The industrial revolution was fast but, still at a manageable speed for the human condition.

I Guess we should all start scratching dirt.

Wow, I actually agree with you there for the most part!

It's going to have to transition at some point. One of the biggest reasons why I like Trump is because he understandds that our free trade system is being highly taken advantage of by many developing and developed nations who have undervalued currency and terrible business standards that we cannot compete with, thus making our own people less well off or weak as a nation. I hope to see some sort of policy that helps America become more competitive within itself rather than with the entire undervalued world. 

[Zimme83]

Just FYI Bustr: Only Norway have a large oil production among the Scandinavian countries.

[NatCigg]

You tell em buster! 

I will be hiring 2 more workers next year.  Like most years the good ones have a good work ethic.  Most good ones are retired. The young ones move on to good things but those kids are rare.  When I do find them I ask if they have any sibling looking for work because for some strange reason good workers are made at home. 

[DREDIOCK]

Whenever this subject comes up we can only digress to common sense and reality in the form of humor

[NatCigg]

can i get a link to that? my computer will not auto play.

[bustr]

As long as the world divides itself ideologically with a boogyman that lives in the year 2100 or 2066, our out of sync relationship with the Technology revolution will not become the center piece topic that all peoples of this planet need to recognize. Our own human nature combined with Technology is the real boogyman. We have become accustomed to Technology making everything disposable, removing any sense of responsibility for the outcome once the figurative trash we toss leaves our hand. With one hand we need humans to purchase our products to keep the world rotating. With the other hand we toss humans in the trash as quickly as possible to increase competiveness with Technology. Eventually the trash bin gets a name, The Welfare State.   

The USA has 94 Million citizens who have stopped looking for work since the current occupant of the white house was given a Noble Prize for doing nothing. The EU by an official measure from Wiki has about 30 Million in that category. I suspect with the EU at a population of 500 Million opposed to the USA at 320 Million, the number who have given up looking is much higher than 30 Million.

All of those people will be forgotten because companies have had nearly a decade of doing more with less people and thriving due to technological invention and evolution. So to keep costs down when the west's economy's start picking up again, technology will be cheaper and more efficient than people to compete. The forgotten 200 Million or so will be that, and those country's will find it simpler to keep them on the welfare rolls and focus on their children and the emerging generation from the school systems. Onward marches the welfare state a victim of it's own success. Once economy's begin to recover, it will take upwards of a decade to see any real movement towards employment from the forgotten. Maybe this is what happens when you don't instead have a world war every 20 or so years.

Aside from the world wide aging of the baby boomers, during that decade for employment to gain traction with the forgotten, another wave of Gen-Xers will be getting into their 40's and 50's. Our Technological revolution has shown itself to be a boon to companies in that they can be done with older fixed assets who cost more in salaries and health care. BofA was an industry pioneer in eliminating it's older employees over night without incurring class action Ageism lawsuits.

We have become disposable due to the Technological revolution. And human nature is to chase the hoard of bunny's out of your own garden and not worry what happens to the bunny's or other peoples gardens. Welcome to the welfare state of disposable humans landfill at the bottom of the Technological wishing well. Anyone ever wonder how all those out of work camel jockeys feel in the Oil rich Muslim countries where 2% of the population receives the benefits of Oil profits while everyone else scratches dirt and buggers goats?

[NatCigg]

Another good read buster    although I must say, dirt is a four letter word. 

[FLS]

Free markets are great until the rest of the lower valued markets start undercutting you and stealing your workforce/production, there by destroying the working foundation in your own country whose standards and practices are much higher than others.

I agree with Trump that we need a "Fair market" in this country to battle places like China and Indonesia stealing our production and workforce for a so called "free market".

Lower prices benefit everybody. Trade restrictions don't. It makes no difference if the company undercutting your prices is in another country or down the street.
 
Please don't suggest that any sound bite by a politician running for office actually makes sense. They only sound good when you don't know the issues.

[Zimme83]

 No one complained about free market when US produced food aided by tax money were shipped to Africa, flooded the markets and left the local farmers out of business.

Protectionism will not save you or your jobs, you must find a way to stay competitive . Just like everybody else.

[DmonSlyr]

Lower prices benefit everybody. Trade restrictions don't. It makes no difference if the company undercutting your prices is in another country or down the street.
 
Please don't suggest that any sound bite by a politician running for office actually makes sense. They only sound good when you don't know the issues.

It makes a HUGE difference!

If I have to compete with Jim down the road on producing widgets, we will be both competing in the same economy and representing the same econimic zone structure. The US has a similar econimic zone throughout the country. Businses that work in that zone benefit the growth and sustainability in that zone. NOW, all of the sudden a new economic zone opens up that is 1/3 of your valued zone. Immediatly businsses start transitioning into a different econimic zone that does not bring the same economic cushion it once brought. The higher valued zone looks stable because they still make sales, but on the inside it starts becoming weak as the jobs run out and the wages begin to be undervalued, goods become incredibly cheap, and people don't realize that their goods are becoming less and less valuable everyday. This is not good for the higher valued economic zone that depends on itself to remain sustainable an prosperable.

[DmonSlyr]

No one complained about free market when US produced food aided by tax money were shipped to Africa, flooded the markets and left the local farmers out of business.

Protectionism will not save you or your jobs, you must find a way to stay competitive . Just like everybody else.

We came in and undercut their production and prices big time, its no different than what Walmart does to retail small businesses when it opens up in a new area.

[FLS]

It makes a HUGE difference!

If I have to compete with Jim down the road on producing widgets, we will be both competing in the same economy and representing the same econimic zone structure. The US has a similar econimic zone throughout the country. Businses that work in that zone benefit the growth and sustainability in that zone. NOW, all of the sudden a new economic zone opens up that is 1/3 of your valued zone. Immediatly businsses start transitioning into a different econimic zone that does not bring the same economic cushion it once brought. The higher valued zone looks stable because they still make sales, but on the inside it starts becoming weak as the jobs run out and the wages begin to be undervalued, goods become incredibly cheap, and people don't realize that their goods are becoming less and less valuable everyday. This is not good for the higher valued economic zone that depends on itself to remain sustainable an prosperable.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

[WWhiskey]

Speaking of Einstein!
Meet Dr. Freeman Dyson

The climate models used by alarmist scientists to predict global warming are getting worse, not better; carbon dioxide does far more good than harm; and President Obama has backed the “wrong side” in the war on “climate change.”

So says one of the world’s greatest theoretical physicists, Dr Freeman Dyson (pictured above), the British-born, naturalised American citizen who worked at Princeton University as a contemporary of Einstein and has advised the US government on a wide range of scientific and technical issues.

In an interview with Andrew Orlowski of The Register, Dyson expressed his despair at the current scientific obsession with climate change which he says is “not a scientific mystery but a human mystery. How does it happen that a whole generation of scientific experts is blind to the obvious facts.”

This mystery, says Dyson, can only partly be explained in terms of follow the money. Also to blame, he believes, is a kind of collective yearning for apocalyptic doom.

It is true that there’s a large community of people who make their money by scaring the public, so money is certainly involved to some extent, but I don’t think that’s the full explanation.

It’s like a hundred years ago, before World War I, there was this insane craving for doom, which in a way, helped cause World War I. People like the poet Rupert Brooke were glorifying war as an escape from the dullness of modern life. [There was] the feeling we’d gone soft and degenerate, and war would be good for us all. That was in the air leading up to World War I, and in some ways it’s in the air today.

Dyson, himself a longstanding Democrat voter, is especially disappointed by his chosen party’s unscientific stance on the climate change issue.

It’s very sad that in this country, political opinion parted [people’s views on climate change]. I’m 100 per cent Democrat myself, and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on this issue, and the Republicans took the right side.

Part of the problem, he says, is the Democrats’ conflation of “pollution” (a genuine problem) with “climate change” (a natural phenomenon quite beyond mankind’s ability to control).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/13/top-physicist-freeman-dyson-obama-picked-wrong-side-climate-change/