Star Wars Episode VII in one word: Terrible (SPOILERS!)

[Devil 505]

IMO it would have been better to reveal his identity later in the series. 

I think we have to take a step outside the film to understand why the Han/Ren relationship played out the way it did. Ford probably signed on under the stipulation that Han be killed off. Knowing that such a beloved character is a dead man, his death must have some weight and meaning attached to it. That is why you had the reveal that Ren is Han's son so early. You had to build up to Han's confrontation with Ren. Revealing Ren's identity later in the film would have only made the confrontation seem more forced and contrived. 

[Saxman]

Rey was too much of a Swiss army knife. Mechanics, self defence, flight operations, languages, control of the force... Like others have said, things just came way too easily for her. It's one thing to be focused and determined, quite another to just start controlling people and objects with your mind without any doubt or frustration. The whole relationship between Fin and Rey was a bit over the top. Would've been cool if she had dissed the Falcan by calling it a "piece of junk" to echo Luke rather than just "garbage".

I think the implication is supposed to be that Rey HAD some training already, she was just so young and it was so long ago she either forgot it, or mentally blocked it out after being marooned on Jakku. And well, Luke was a mechanic, had no problems picking up a blaster or the Falcon's turrets, and while not pulling mind tricks (keep in mind it took Rey a couple tries to get it to work) he was able to use the Force against the remote while blinded. About the only thing he DIDN'T have was the languages, and that can be explained by Jakku having a much more varied population than most of Tattooine.

I never really felt any sense of foreboding with the young sith lord as I did with Vader. Vader's menace was his inhuman detachment and cold self-control when dealing with failure - once the new guy started throwing temper tantrums and removing his mask, all of that was lost. Just no real suspense there. Probably inevitable we were going to learn he was Han and Leia's son, but I figured it would've been when they met at bridge towards the end. Yeah, so the son felt Han land on the planet but didn't feel him 20 feet behind him on the bridge? He turned out to be a very rookie sith.

Kylo Ren is NOT a Sith, he's a Knight of Ren. Yes, there is a difference. And the entire POINT of Kylo is that he's trying to live up to who he thinks Vader is, but has doubts and uncertainty about himself, and is still struggling with the Light vs. the Dark. Rey even points it out when he tries to mind rape her that he's trying to BE Vader but is NOT Vader, and the thought he can't live up to that is scaring him. Thankfully, I'm glad they DID make him much more vulnerable. I'm also glad they didn't drag out the reveal.

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https://youtu.be/oGQ1tJP_26A

[8thJinx]

Breaking it down, I think a large majority of the story lines involving the younger cast was great.  I thought the Solo and Princess Botox sequences where kind of stale.  I also thought the whole star killer base thing was derivative.  And you'd think these villains would figure out how to weaponize something without it being to so vulnerable.  As for Solo getting killed off, it was either him or someone else.  There has to be someone major in the story that gets killed at the 2/3 to 3/4 mark, otherwise the story is flat.  It's supposed to result in an "all is lost, how can we possibly win now" moment.  I didn't get that feeling when Solo bought it.  All in all, I'm glad they made a new movie and plan to make more, but I was hoping for a better story.

[WaffenVW]

It's the third best SW movie so far.

[Muzzy]

I really enjoyed it but I'm not going to presume to debate anyone who didn't.

I will say this though: playing AH really made me feel for those poor X-Wing pilots who got jumped by cons while trying to complete a Jabo mission. It's like a bunch of heavy Corsairs getting jumped by Spits while trying to shut down a base.

I'm pretty sure that Sullustan guy missed the VH, too.

[Saxman]

I really enjoyed it but I'm not going to presume to debate anyone who didn't.

I will say this though: playing AH really made me feel for those poor X-Wing pilots who got jumped by cons while trying to complete a Jabo mission. It's like a bunch of heavy Corsairs getting jumped by Spits while trying to shut down a base.

I'm pretty sure that Sullustan guy missed the VH, too.

Hey man, that wasn't A Sullustan, that was THE Sullustan.

(And yes, it WAS Nien Nunb)

[kilo2]

I think the implication is supposed to be that Rey HAD some training already, she was just so young and it was so long ago she either forgot it, or mentally blocked it out after being marooned on Jakku. And well, Luke was a mechanic, had no problems picking up a blaster or the Falcon's turrets, and while not pulling mind tricks (keep in mind it took Rey a couple tries to get it to work) he was able to use the Force against the remote while blinded. About the only thing he DIDN'T have was the languages, and that can be explained by Jakku having a much more varied population than most of Tattooine.

Kylo Ren is NOT a Sith, he's a Knight of Ren. Yes, there is a difference. And the entire POINT of Kylo is that he's trying to live up to who he thinks Vader is, but has doubts and uncertainty about himself, and is still struggling with the Light vs. the Dark. Rey even points it out when he tries to mind rape her that he's trying to BE Vader but is NOT Vader, and the thought he can't live up to that is scaring him. Thankfully, I'm glad they DID make him much more vulnerable. I'm also glad they didn't drag out the reveal.

I think Kylo Ren could classify as a dark jedi. I like the fact we are seeing a transition in Ren from struggling with light and dark to someone who is completely dark. I do think that Snoke is a Sith and Ren will make the full transition.

[Zeagle]

I will say this though: playing AH really made me feel for those poor X-Wing pilots who got jumped by cons while trying to complete a Jabo mission. It's like a bunch of heavy Corsairs getting jumped by Spits while trying to shut down a base.

I got the same feeling. Like flying a 190 squadron into a cloud of spits, yaks, and ki84's...lol

[Ack-Ack]

I do think that Snoke is a Sith and Ren will make the full transition.

I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis, Darth Sidious' master.

[kilo2]

I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis, Darth Sidious' master.

I have heard that rumor floating around. I think it would be cool if that is the case.

[Saxman]

Except I'm pretty sure Abrams has already stated that Snoke isn't a Sith, either.

[Serenity]

I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis, Darth Sidious' master.

The problem with that idea is that Plagueis has to be dead. There are always only two, so Sidious had to have killed Plagueis to take on Anakin.

[branch37]

The problem with that idea is that Plagueis has to be dead. There are always only two, so Sidious had to have killed Plagueis to take on Anakin.

I know this is a stretch but hear me out.  Sidious said that Plagueis had found a way to keep the ones he cared about from dying.  As a sith i'm sure he cared more about himself than anybody.  That is a long time to be in hiding or exile or whatever if he did survive.  Just a thought.  Carry on. 

[Ack-Ack]

The problem with that idea is that Plagueis has to be dead. There are always only two, so Sidious had to have killed Plagueis to take on Anakin.

He found away around the whole death thing.