P-51B Photo Request - Sandy Sansing IV-C

[Vraciu]

Anyone have a photo of this airplane?   I am working on this skin now.   Not sure if Skuzzy accepts skins that don't have photographic support to back up their schemes.

http://www.aviationarthangar.com/avarthasacho.html

http://www.bravobravoaviation.com/shop/1053-tm_thickbox_default/p-51b-mustang-virgal-sandy-sansing-359th-fg-369th-fs-usaaf-june-1944.jpg

This guy had an interesting experience during the war and I have been wanting to do a green-nosed Mustang for a long time.

[lyric1]

Cant find any photos of that plane but I do have one from that unit slightly more interesting in appearance from that group.

[Vraciu]

Thank you kindly.  Interesting indeed.

I will get the common elements finished then decide what to do with the final product.  Another yellow tail.  I can't seem to escape that.  Hahahaha!

[Vraciu]

Cant find any photos of that plane but I do have one from that unit slightly more interesting in appearance from that group.

Question: What shade of black / white are the Invasion Stripes?  The default "B" makes them look almost brown.

[Devil 505]

It's really just black and white however the maintenance crews could get it. The white was probably "Insignia White" but I'm sure the black was just called "Black"

The important thing is to fade each shade at least 10% with it's opposite shade and to ensure that the pint is given a flat finish.

[lyric1]

Question: What shade of black / white are the Invasion Stripes?  The default "B" makes them look almost brown.

I am no help to you on this. Devil seems to have covered it.

[Vraciu]

No problem guys.  Thank you both.

Here's what I have so far...

[Devil 505]

Your stripes on the wings are way too thin. The outboard white stripe should be just inboard of the aileron, and the width of each stripe widened accordingly. Look at the reference photo, the gear door is black on the top and white on the bottom, not white-black-white as you have it.

[Vraciu]

Your stripes on the wings are way too thin. The outboard white stripe should be just inboard of the aileron, and the width of each stripe widened accordingly. Look at the reference photo, the gear door is black on the top and white on the bottom, not white-black-white as you have it.

Good catch. (I haven't tried to match the bottom yet because I want to get the top right first.)   I actually just used the default's measurements on the stripes.   Didn't even think to look at the picture.  *facepalm*

Okay, off to correct.   Damn, your eye is good.   

[lyric1]

Good catch. (I haven't tried to match the bottom yet because I want to get the top right first.)   I actually just used the default's measurements on the stripes.   Didn't even think to look at the picture.  *facepalm*

Okay, off to correct.   Damn, your eye is good.   

 

[Vraciu]

Your help is greatly appreciated, sir.


Devil, here's an update.   Better?

[Devil 505]

Much better with the stripes.

Check this out: http://www.cebudanderson.com/p51bdetailpage.htm
Here's a picture of the real "Old Crow" that the default represents. You'll notice how far out the D-Day stripes come out on the wings compared to the incorrect skin from AH. Always try to completely research the planes you are skinning so that you better understand the conventions of their schemes, ensuring that your skins are as historically accurate as possible.

I did notice something another flaw though. You have some OD green on the upper rear fuselage that should no be there. The entire fuselage aft of the cockpit should be bare metal. I'm not sure if you know this and just haven't corrected it yet, or didn't realize this flay was present.

Overall, this is shaping up nicely.

[Vraciu]

Much better with the stripes.

Check this out: http://www.cebudanderson.com/p51bdetailpage.htm
Here's a picture of the real "Old Crow" that the default represents. You'll notice how far out the D-Day stripes come out on the wings compared to the incorrect skin from AH. Always try to completely research the planes you are skinning so that you better understand the conventions of their schemes, ensuring that your skins are as historically accurate as possible.

I did notice something another flaw though. You have some OD green on the upper rear fuselage that should no be there. The entire fuselage aft of the cockpit should be bare metal. I'm not sure if you know this and just haven't corrected it yet, or didn't realize this flay was present.

Good eye by you.  I haven't painted that part yet.   I know the "D" skin like the back of my hand.  Still learning where everything is on this one.   I will get on that right now.  Thanks a lot, Devil.   <S>

Overall, this is shaping up nicely.

Coming from you that's very high praise.  My thanks. 

[Vraciu]

Lots to do yet, but this is a rough sketch.

Panel lines need work.    Also have to fill the stripes out.   But it is coming along.   I am trying something new for the metal finish.   I think it is an improvement over my previous attempts...

[Devil 505]

Good so far, but I agree the metal work needs some work.

You should add some subtle variation to the base colors of the sheet metal. My Ki-84 has 5 different basic panel colors. I started with a base middle color and then made 2 layers each with a lighter and darker shade. These layers are faded to make 5 shades. You should bake in some reflected color (sky blue on the top and olive green on the bottom). Also, you should add some highlights and shading to these panels to add some dimension. Don't forget to give your panel lines and rivets some highlights.

Here is a shot of my Ki-84 to show all the baked in effects.


Good luck.