Why no balance in Ace plane selection for frame 2?

[Devil 505]

Why is the Axis ace for frame 2 in a C.202 while the Allied Ace in in a P-51? The Pony has a 50 Mph speed advantage at all alts, in fact it's the best performing plane in the setup. The 202 is arguably the worst plane in the setup. It's slow, it has an anemic gun package, it has poor visibility. In any situation, the 202 pilot is at a disadvantage, whereas the Pony pilot has little to fear because of that plane's speed and excellent visibility. A Pony is likely to kill and survive and the 202 will have to work very hard to do either.  The closest Allied plane to the C202 is the P-40F with the 4 gun package.

[Vulcan]

The 109G2 is a pretty nice ride, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it.

[Devil 505]

The 109G2 is a pretty nice ride, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it.

The axis ace doesn't get a G-2, he gets a Macchi C.202.

[Joker312]

C202 will fly circles around a P40F.

P40F was allied ace plane in frame 1 btw. Axis ace was in a C205. Didn't see anyone complain about that .

[puller]

I know where 120 points will come from in frame 1....

[Devil 505]

C202 will fly circles around a P40F.

Right, and a pony won't fly circles around a 202? 

[DH367th]

P-51B has to carry two 500's. Half the mission it's heavy I would say that's more than even.

[Devil 505]

I'll be shocked if those bombs actually get hauled that far.

[Joker312]

Not sure what u mean Devil? I hauled 2 bombs to target in frame 1 and didn't get into A2A mode until 40 or 50 mins into the frame. Same for the other 5 P51's that we're with me. It was a fun time trying to accomplish the task that was assigned to us.

The whole point of FSO is to enjoy yourself. Don't sweat the details. It is very rare to have things 100% fair.

[Devil 505]

When it comes to potential scoring it better be as close to 100% fair as possible. This plane performance disparity is analogous to a basketball game where one team can shoot 3-pointers from the usual 3-point line but the other team can only score 3-pointers from halfcourt.

It all comes down to reward vs risk. The 6 ponies had a K/D tally in frame 1 of 5:3. (Deaths defined as not landing successfully) The 38 C.202's had a K/D tally of 22:19.

Now let's break this down into percentages.

Pony K/D: 1.66 , Macchi K/D: 1.16.
Kills per plane launched: Pony: .83, Macchi: .57

Since both types lost exactly 50% of their planes, let's assume the survival risk is equal and concentrate on the ability for each plane to kill.

the pony has K/D advantage of half a kill per death and kill per plane advantage of .25 over the C.202.

But that's just one instance. Lets extrapolate the relative differences from the ENY settings of the planes in LW and MW arenas.

ENY LW: P-51B: 20, C.202: 40.
ENY MW: P-51B: 15 C.202: 40.

According to HTC, it is twice as hard to get a kill in the C.202 than in the Pony. Against the MW planeset, which is where the planes in this setup are drawn from, the Pony fares even better.

Now lets look at some hard performance data. from: http://www.michael-elliott.com/wikis/ww2planes/index.php?n=Site.AccelerationChart

Acceleration time from 250 to 300
P-51B: 25 seconds
C.202: 42 seconds

Acceleration time from 300 to 350
P-51B: 76 Seconds  29 seconds @ 12K
C.202: Top speed on deck of 317 achieved in 76 seconds. @ 12K (minimum alt to break 350): 69 seconds

Does anybody else want to pretend these 2 planes compare well?


 

[TWCAxew]

Yo devil!
I see what your going at,duo your last post.
However the pony's should be compared with the c205's and not the c202's these planes are nothing alike.the pony and the c205 are closely  matched(well they both got there own strengths).
The c202's should be compared with the p40's and the 109-g2's with the spit V. If you look at all the planes we have a pretty balanced fso on our hands.

You don't hear me say flying the c202 is a lot of fun. But me for example I manged to kill 4 p40's 1 pony and 1 b25( other ppl took the credit do(ripped 6 wing's of them)). In this setup it's very capeble if you fly it correctly.

I hope this clears things up.

(Sorry for the poor English)

DutchVII  <S>

Edit: spelling

[Spikes]

He isn't comparing the two planes directly just for stats, he is comparing them on the basis of them being chosen as the Ace planes for the week. To summarize everything, it will be much easier for a P-51 pilot to accomplish the Ace role (get kills plenty of kills, don't be killed) than it would be for the C.202 pilot, due to the fact that the C.202 is a mid '41 plane and the P-51B is a late '43 plane (I think?). Like you said, if it were C.205 vs P-51B it would be a different story.

[TWCAxew]

Ah oke I am not sure what that's about than. Heard from my Co last night  ( after the post) that the planes we are flying are not known yet. And even than I think all should have the change to fly decent planes. Not only the aces of the last frame cause they happend to be in better plane's
Sorry if I am missing something here.

DutchVII 

[Joker312]

Geeze Devil...... I realize this is a game but you need to man up and stop whining over every little detail.

In frame 1 your ace got to fly a 205 and logged 6 kills....he didn't even have to lug bombs around for 40 mins. The allied ace flew a P 40 and I will bet you he landed less than 6 kills if he landed at all.

Don't recall anyone on the allied side making a big deal about that.

Just wondering, does that seem fair to you?

I would also bet there are many players on the axis side that would love the challenge of flying the ace sortie in a 202, I know I would.

[Devil 505]

Joker, I'm the Axis CiC for this frame. It's my job to sweat every detail.

I cant speak for the CiC's for frame 1. Either they thought that the 205-P40 matchup was ok, didn't notice it was a potential problem, or did notice and didn't care enough to say anything.

Well, we're on to frame 2 and I did notice a problem in the 202-P51 matchup. I also care enough to speak up.