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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2016, 10:32:52 AM »
Devil, also, since the time frame will be before winter (say, September, 1943), should any of the 109 groups be 109G-2's instead of 109G-6's?

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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2016, 11:16:00 AM »
I will be flying planes with Black Crosses on the wings and yes we need a group of G-2's plaese.
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2016, 11:37:19 AM »
No G-2's for late '43.
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2016, 01:11:57 PM »
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2016, 02:38:20 PM »
Devil and everyone:

It looks like we'll be using blksea terrain and not blkseaw (assuming AH3 comes out before June).

That means the ground won't be white, so we probably wouldn't use the winter skins.

Terrains need to be converted to AH3, which is a lot of work with only Ghostdancer heroically working on it himself currently.  By June, converted blksea and blkseaw will be available, but because of needing new custom tiles for winter, blkseaw won't have trees at first.

This does solve the issue with having winter skins, and also for including skins for notable aces, IE: Nowotny, Barkhorn, and Hartmann.
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2016, 03:10:14 PM »
I think Camo and Company should shock the world and defect to the Russians........ :cheers:
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2016, 03:38:41 PM »
I think Camo and Company should shock the world and defect to the Russians........ :cheers:

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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2016, 05:06:33 PM »
I think Camo and Company should shock the world and defect to the Russians........ :cheers:

You'll need to build some Soviet skins with the Finnish swastika.

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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2016, 07:52:26 PM »
So far I've got a Brooke, Dantoo, Alpo and DH367th lined up for the preliminary command team.
Not a bad start.  More feelers out but looks like im in.
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2016, 10:36:25 PM »
Sweet!

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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2016, 10:37:11 PM »
Subway, are you up for axis CO?   :pray  :aok

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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2016, 11:00:46 PM »
One question I'd like to discuss with folks -- please all chip in on this discussion.

This scenario could have level bombers and attack planes as separate groups (like we have it currently), or it could have one group with 3 lives in level bombers and 3 in attack planes, which they can use in any order they want.

What are thoughts about that?

Here is a fuller description of what's going through my mind on this.

In scenarios, it is usually the case that you have some plane type that was in the real battle which is not so popular in AH or that might have a tough time in the particular scenario setup.

Sometimes, such a plane is just eliminated or another plane type is substituted because it does no good to have the plane in the scenario if no one registers for it or flies it.  You might as well then not have it.

In this scenario, an example is the Stuka.  It was in the battle, not FW 190F-8's.  However, the Stuka is a very vulnerable plane, and groups of them are basically dead if even a couple of fighters happen upon them.  They can do OK in a scenario where there is a lot of territory, with targets spread out all over the place, but that is not the case here.  So, I made the decision to substitute the FW 190F-9 (since 190's eventually replaced Stukas -- I was accelerating history).

However, another approach is to keep it in, but make it available to players as extra lives.  For example, you get some lives in your primary plane and some lives in Stukas -- something like that.  Then folks are generally OK if they get killed in all their normal lives to fly a Stuka around.

The Il-2 is not as vulnerable as the Stuka (thanks to its sturdiness, guns, and it might turn a little better), and there is more it can do when it gets to a target (since it has more bombs plus rockets and good guns).

I am wondering, though, if the close-in action of this scenario will allow for fun Il-2 piloting, or if it will seem like a death trap every mission.  In the latter case, I should consolidate the level and attack bombing groups into one group.

What are people's thoughts on this?  Keep in mind that, if you have never flown bombers or attack planes in a scenario, you might not fully know what things are like.

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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2016, 11:04:37 PM »
I'm going to stay out of the design completely.  I want to fly whatever I have, against whatever is up, and not care.  Just lock it down so the planning, strategies and training can begin, then don't touch it :)  I want to be mission planning in April.  Brooke, you'll get this reference, we are going 2005 Coral Sea practice mode.
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2016, 11:26:02 PM »
How about you make available (X) # of Stukas
                                         (X) # of F-8's
                                         (X) # JU-88s

And let the axis CO use them as he sees fit?  Same on Russian side of course.

Make it  a little more open on the planning side and that way ROC has no idea what is coming at him at any given hour of the 3 hour frame
Ditto  "WHITE 11"
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Re: Help with design of upcoming Eastern Front scenario
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2016, 11:52:21 PM »
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Make it  a little more open on the planning side and that way ROC has no idea what is coming at him at any given hour of the 3 hour frame
Pfft of course I'll know, I'll have my command bunker set up outside your house tapped into your wifi  :noid
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