Floating in a chute

[captain1ma]

I don't open my chute until im about 1k off the ground anyway. keeps me from getting killed.

[Alpo]

Since there's no grey area in FSO insofar as lives there's no point in bailing. You either live thru the frame or you don't. You either make it back before frame's end or you don't. It's the same ammount of points either way. No less because you bailed, ditched, were captured or what have you. A lost plane is a lost plane. All that said, since it seems to be becoming a thing, I say nip that in the bud now and rule it no bailing under any circumstances. You bail, you get penalized. Simple.

Well, for me personally, It's sort of a badge of honor to survive each frame even if I get shot down and captured. I like to think that I'm wily enough to escape those bastages and get back in time to fly in the next frame.  But I do like to make my survival a part of the plan if possible. Been a pretty good start to the year so far in that regard. Just one of them things. 

When I originally posted this, I felt exactly as you do Bannor.  I had ZERO problem with folks bailing out of a plane spiraling into the ground, I still have no problem with it.  Especially with the HTC addition of the ability to End Flight from a chute.  It was my understanding that once you are out of the plane and falling, it was mandated to End Flight (.ef) immediately after in ALL Special Events.  A standard I make sure to try and impart on all of JG54 when I hear that someone is hit and bailing.  Specifically for the reasons I explained in the original post. 

I don't want penalties for simply hitting enter 3x and I certainly do not want to penalize the folks for "keeping it real" by playing the pilot survival card.  However, there is just no reason I can see to be in the chute floating for 3+ minutes or walking around on the ground for a similar amount of time as the battle rages around them.  I would just like to see the capabilities of using chutes as anything other than a method of getting out of a plane, removed if at all possible. 

 

[Trainee]

Point wise I have always been under the impression that a bail or ditch was scored as a death in FSO anyway. I have always told our guys not to ride it down.

[Squire]

it was mandated to End Flight (.ef) immediately after in ALL Special Events. 

No there was never any such rule.

[tmetal]

Point wise I have always been under the impression that a bail or ditch was scored as a death in FSO anyway. I have always told our guys not to ride it down.

Some setups in the past have offered different scores against your side for death, ditching, captured or bailing.  There were a few times that I flew a hopelessly damaged plane as far out of enemy territory as I could just in an attempt to earn a "bravely bailed" score that was slightly better than the "captured" score and much better than the "death" score.  I would rather see this kind of scoring more often as it can lead to a longer FSO night and some additional personal drama that otherwise wouldn't be a tempting option if ditch/capture/bail/death all scored the same.

As far as the original topic goes, yeah as soon as you score as ditch (plane comes to a stop on the ground), death, bail (you're scored as bailed as soon as you hit enter the third time), or captured (same metrics as ditch/bail just too close to enemy when it happens) then you should be in the tower and offering to gun for a team mate.

[elc7367b]

It happened again at A11.  Two allied chutes at the field soaking up ack.  Names can be provided via film if necessary.

Muttman

[Squire]

We need film yes.

[TequilaChaser]

It happened again at A11.  Two allied chutes at the field soaking up ack.  Names can be provided via film if necessary.

Muttman

Muttman, are you going to send your film in? or do you want me to dig mine out and email it in?

a lot of us in the 412th were there seeing it and talking about it last night

TC

[Squire]

warloc1841@gmail.com

[Kanth]

Film sent. 

[Squire]

Got it and I am contacting the parties.

[Kanth]

thanks 

[TequilaChaser]

Film sent. 

Thanks Kanth 


TC

[Softail]

So to summarize this thread:
                             floating in a chute is OK.
                             floating in a chute and radioing observations is OK.
                             floating in a chute and drawing ack fire is OK.
                             floating  in a chute to create a red ICON for enemy to see is OK.
                             floating in a chute to keep a base flashing is OK.   It must be if all the above is OK.
                           
                             Touching the ground in a chute is NOT OK.
                             Ditching an AC and sitting in the wreckage is NOT OK because you are no longer flying an AC.
 
                             Question:  Didn't your AC become wreckage on the ground moments after you bailed?  Are we considering a Chute ...an Aircraft?

                              Why the staunch avoidance to just make or clarify a simple rule that the majority seems to agree with that says....NO FLOATING IN A CHUTE?

             Just wondering.

Softail


                               

[APDrone]

So to summarize this thread:
                             floating in a chute is OK.
                             floating in a chute and radioing observations is OK.
                             floating in a chute and drawing ack fire is OK. <-- How did you come up with this one?
                             floating  in a chute to create a red ICON for enemy to see is OK.
                             floating in a chute to keep a base flashing is OK.   It must be if all the above is OK.
                           
                             Touching the ground in a chute is NOT OK.
                             Ditching an AC and sitting in the wreckage is NOT OK because you are no longer flying an AC.
 
                             Question:  Didn't your AC become wreckage on the ground moments after you bailed?  Are we considering a Chute ...an Aircraft?

                              Why the staunch avoidance to just make or clarify a simple rule that the majority seems to agree with that says....NO FLOATING IN A CHUTE?

             Just wondering.

Softail


                             

 

Back in the day.. many moons ago.. one could not end flight while suspended under the canopy of deliverance.. one must ride it to the ground to exit flight, so 'towering out' from the chute wasn't even an option. I got pretty good about figuring how close to the ground to free fall before hitting the 'O' without splatting.  Hmm.. or, maybe if you towered out it counted as an immediate death, not a bail or capture..  This rule may have been established during that time.

I recall at least one time when somebody pulled the chord at 20k or so.. took them forever to land.. 

Also, the CM team didn't like to change rules.. and, it appears that is still the case. And, really, there isn't a need to change them.

My additional $.02, anyway..