After all the Recent Discussion......

[Drano]

The point is people ARE screwing around on the ground. It is what it is. If it's become a problem, and apparently it has, then rule it out.

No disrespect, but how you score what your squad does is irrelevant. The scoring in FSO is all that matters. If you're telling your guys it's ok or incentivising bailing because of some points thing in your squad (that has nothing to do with the event) then you're what's at issue.

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[Big Rat]

Adding more rules to something that is already breaking the rules is dumb, We just need to enforce the rules we have.  And how many people really care about the score in FSO as long as your enjoying it, I doubt many.  Score is only there to give us goals to shoot for.  Now when someone's breaking of the rules, goes against somebody else's enjoyment of FSO, then we have a big problem.  I personally try and immerse myself in FSO a bit, can I safely crash land this wounded bird, on or off a field.  Can I survive long enough with this pilot would to bail over friendly territory? etc. and so on.  Nothing that endangers anybody else's fun but my own, as I ".ef" as soon as my shoot opens or my plane slides to a stop.  This is within the rules and has never been an issue in endangering somebody else's fun or effecting an outcome of an FSO battle.

It's up to CO's and XO's of FSO to make sure their pilots know and follow these rules, if not kick them out as they are representing your squad negatively.

 
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[Drano]

Oh I totally get the too many rules thing, Rat! Having been involved in the command staff of a few scenarios, the rules in those can make anyone's head spin! But this is an easy one for everybody, including the CMs scoring the event. No film required. Logs will show "bravely bailed from damaged plane" --boom! Penalty. Period. Super easy. Takes the idiots out, at least theoretically. Enough guys get penalized, this will become a non-issue rather quickly.

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[captain1ma]

-200 points for bail and shooting a pilot on the other side if caught. problem solved. you don't need to get rid of bail, but if you get caught, 200 point fine. you could take it even further and make it 200 per plane and per pilot, thats 400 points. that will deter the gameyness and still allow for realistic bailing. Peer pressure will take care of the rest. pretty simple. just remember..... the squirrels have camera's!

at the end of the day, its still a game and its still about fun, everyone's fun!

[ImADot]

Wouldn't it be nice if we lived and played in a community where there was no need to have so many detailed rules to cover such commonsense things. Perhaps if the rule simply said something like: once your plane is no longer flying, whether you crashed, ditched or bailed, you must immediately end flight and go to the tower.

Unfortunately there will always be someone who will push it to the limit and pick apart every word to look for an interpretation to support them doing something they know they shouldn't do.

[captain1ma]

hey I like that one dot!!! lets assimilate that common sense, shall we?!!!

[Big Rat]

Drano, if the FSO community and CM's decide to go that route, we will comply gladly (put it to a vote maybe).  I would prefer different, but I will follow the rules as always, and make sure my guys do as well.  I do see your point for ease of spotting infractions.  But what's the penalty for an infraction such as this to the squad, player, side? The sad part unless there is something besides a simple points penalty, stuff like this will continue.  As points for your side would mean nothing to many griefers, as they are only interested in what's fun for them.  There has to be "real" penalties for serious infractions like this, not just imaginary points.  At this point it's up to the CM's and I'll leave it in their hands.

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[68ZooM]

There is nothing wrong with bailing (and towering out) from a plane that's going down it was done irl, but to pull out your 45 and using it to kill people rearming or Letting your teammates know people are Rearming is cheating And needs to carry is severe penalty.

[hcrana]

Gonna be pretty hard to not automatically bail when you're missing a wing.  I've done it so many times, my brain is no longer part of the procedure; just spinal chord and fingers doing all the work.  If that's gonna cost a side 200 points as suggested, the scoring is gonna be in the negative numbers pretty much every time.  We already have rules that are being enforced; this thread is a case in point.  No need to reinvent the wheel.

[branch37]

The point is people ARE screwing around on the ground. It is what it is. If it's become a problem, and apparently it has, then rule it out.

No disrespect, but how you score what your squad does is irrelevant. The scoring in FSO is all that matters. If you're telling your guys it's ok or incentivising bailing because of some points thing in your squad (that has nothing to do with the event) then you're what's at issue.

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I'm not going to try and change your mind here, but if you feel that me implementing a system in my squad that does nothing but reward smart flying and dissuades reckless acts such as sacrificing a plane in the last minutes of a frame just because I can is causing this whole .45 on the ground thing then I am sorry but I feel that you are dead wrong.  Like I said, I'm not here to change your mind or re write the rules.  This matter is in the hands of the CMs now, and I have said everything here I came to say.  With that, I am done in this thread. 

See y'all next week. 

[Drano]

I'm not going to try and change your mind here, but if you feel that me implementing a system in my squad that does nothing but reward smart flying and dissuades reckless acts such as sacrificing a plane in the last minutes of a frame just because I can is causing this whole .45 on the ground thing then I am sorry but I feel that you are dead wrong.  Like I said, I'm not here to change your mind or re write the rules.  This matter is in the hands of the CMs now, and I have said everything here I came to say.  With that, I am done in this thread. 

See y'all next week. 

Branch, you outed yourself in your first post as someone who condones this kinda stuff because of some inner squad scoring system, did you not? So that's not gonna get my mind changed. You guys don't get to just make up your own scoring system. Maybe you've missed it, but it's been a subject of discussion the last couple of events. It wasn't me that brought it up. Lot of the other people you fly with on Friday nights aren't happy with it. Seems you should get on board and start condemning it instead of thinking it's some smarter way of playing.

I know I have little chance of changing YOUR mind on this but as you said, it's in the hands of the CMs.

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[Squire]

There is not going to be a rule stating you can't bail out in FSO. We don't need it and it's not happening. I believe I said as much in the last thread. Why? because we can't prevent players from bailing out and I am not about to police it. What rules we have need to be ones we need for a good reason. Slapping a rule on anything and everything we don't like will bog us down in a rule system that will look like the Federal Tax Code. I'm not going there.

...but asking guys not to land via chute...then navigate towards a base...and then start shooting planes with a 45...well that takes some doing, there is a rule against it and it will be enforced.

The vast majority of players in FSO abide by the rules. Let's remember that as well.

[wetcat]

But this is an easy one for everybody, including the CMs scoring the event. No film required. Logs will show "bravely bailed from damaged plane" --boom! Penalty.

Say what?
I am kinda new to AH and very new to the FSO's. I have been shot down in FSO's and bailed out and exited to the tower as soon as the chute deployed. The log did say "bravely bailed...".
Am I misinterpreting what you said, or am I going to get penalized for that? I didn't run around shooting my .45 (In fact, it never even occurred to me that I could kill someone with it...I thought it was just a fun little add-on to the parachute experience.)

[Drano]

The problem then isn't you, it's others who would bail and then mess around in either the chute or run around on the ground. This_is_not_cool.

There's no point whatsoever to bail from your plane in FSO. Absolutely none. No points are gained or lost. Ride your plane in and call it a night. Our gun for one of your countrymen if you really want to help your side.

There are plenty of things on this world that are illegal. Usually it's because somebody abused something to the point thru had to make a law about it.

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[captain1ma]

the point of the bail is a ditch or a capture or bail vs a death. assuming deaths count against us, I bail when I can!


lets face it, there are always people that will take advantage of a situation when they can. lets just do something about those people and call it a day. pretty simple. no need to rewrite the constitution, if you will.