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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2016, 02:41:44 PM »
Hmmmm...protein diet what? Lmao.  Potatoes make that no fail list?

http://www.newser.com/story/223521/potato-only-dieter-drops-70-pounds.html

As I'm sure you are aware, you can lose weight on any diet.  You can lose weight eating nothing but McDonald's food:

http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158

The question, of course, is what diet is easiest for people on average to succeed with.  Is it easier to eat an Atkins-like diet?  Easier to do calorie restriction and increased exercise?  Easier to eat nothing but potatoes?  Easier to eat nothing at all until your weight target is reached?  There are dozens (hundreds?) of diets, all of which will cause you to lose weight -- *if* you can stay on them.

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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2016, 04:07:40 PM »
As I'm sure you are aware, you can lose weight on any diet.  You can lose weight eating nothing but McDonald's food:

http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158


Correct.  Count calories and excercise and you can lose as much as you want. 

If there was a magic list of food that all people could eat and lose weight insurance companies would force that issue.  To an extent they already are by making it more expensive.  At our company if your BMI is above a number, your premium is more.  If you smoke, it's even more. 

I'll say it again.  It's ridiculous to believe anyone can eat as much food per day as they want and lose weight just because it's a certain kind of calorie.  If it were that easy we wouldn't be a nation of fatasses.

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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2016, 04:33:21 PM »
I lost 1 lb.  sad.  I have gone from a size 42 to a 36 in the past year. have lost about 55 lbs.  it's the last 20 that I am stuck on.


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Re: A weight challenge
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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #109 on: April 30, 2016, 05:31:13 PM »
I'll say it again.  It's ridiculous to believe anyone can eat as much food per day as they want and lose weight just because it's a certain kind of calorie.  If it were that easy we wouldn't be a nation of fatasses.

I'll say it again:  wrong.  Of the people I know who have tried a low-carb diet, it worked that way for 8 out of 8 people.  They ate as much meat and salad as they wanted every day and lost weight.  That is exactly how it worked for me, in my own direct experience.

Also, here again is proof that the same calories of one consumable result in enormously more fat than the same calories in another consumable.  Same calories, completely different fat generation:

https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=3872



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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #110 on: April 30, 2016, 07:46:17 PM »
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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #111 on: April 30, 2016, 08:17:41 PM »
Nice job Semp.  A pound is a pound and you are going in the right direction.
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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #112 on: April 30, 2016, 10:35:10 PM »
I'll say it again:  wrong.  Of the people I know who have tried a low-carb diet, it worked that way for 8 out of 8 people.  They ate as much meat and salad as they wanted every day and lost weight.  That is exactly how it worked for me, in my own direct experience.

Also, here again is proof that the same calories of one consumable result in enormously more fat than the same calories in another consumable.  Same calories, completely different fat generation:

https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?t=3872

Just to be clear, you're saying that you and your videos and your 8 buddies are in direct opposition to doctors who actually attended medical school, residency and post residency work?  And you are not a doctor of any kind.  And you are saying you can eat as much food as listed on your magic food/calorie list as you want EACH AND EVERY DAY and people will lose weight because it worked for you and your friends?

Those the facts? 

Ok then.  There are a bunch of people right here that are trying to lose weight.  Put your magic list up and share it with them.  Let them be volunteers for the program that you just put your name on as being a working unfallable way to lose weight guaranteed and let's see who loses and who gains.

Who wants to eat as much of specific foods as they want everyday, without excercise, and lose all the weight they need to be healthy?

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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #113 on: April 30, 2016, 11:32:39 PM »
Just to be clear, you're saying that you and your videos and your 8 buddies are in direct opposition to doctors who actually attended medical school, residency and post residency work?  And you are not a doctor of any kind.  And you are saying you can eat as much food as listed on your magic food/calorie list as you want EACH AND EVERY DAY and people will lose weight because it worked for you and your friends?

To some extent, Brooke is actually correct.

If you eliminate all carbs you can force the body to undergo a metabolic change (metabolic acidosis) where fats and muscle are used up by the body at an incredible rate. You can literally eat all meat all day and lose weight! However, the risk and potential damage to the body when performing this kind of diet can be rather high. I quickly looked for an article on the subject from a reliable source in case no one can take my word for it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2263061/

Keep in mind that eliminating all carbs from a diet is very hard as even simple marinades on meat can be enough to prevent metabolic acidosis. Please, do not attempt this kind of diet without medical supervision, particularly if you have an underlying condition like diabetes or renal impairment.
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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #114 on: April 30, 2016, 11:40:24 PM »
On a side note, I am up to just a little over 40lbs lost in 5 weeks. If I lose 20 more, I will be at my ideal weight.

Again, I have Crohn's disease so I absorb less calories than most people do. So I tend to lose weight very quickly!
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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #115 on: April 30, 2016, 11:58:01 PM »
Just to be clear, you're saying that you and your videos and your 8 buddies are in direct opposition to doctors who actually attended medical school, residency and post residency work?

Yes, if they dispute my direct personal experience and the data thoroughly presented in "The Big Fat Surprise" or Gary Taubes's books, which are just based on going through an enormous number of dietary studies.  No, if  they do not.

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And you are not a doctor of any kind. 

I am not a medical doctor.  I have a science Ph.D. and work in biotech.  There are a great many things where an MD knows a lot more than I do.  But there is a limited area of biology-related stuff where I know more than a typical MD.  With regard to biology and metabolism, I don't claim to be an enormous expert, but I do have some personal experience with one particular diet, experience that is completely in line with what is thoroughly described in "The Big Fat Surprise", so I don't think I'm an outlier.

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And you are saying you can eat as much food as listed on your magic food/calorie list as you want EACH AND EVERY DAY and people will lose weight because it worked for you and your friends?

Yes.  To be more specific, since I can foresee my words being transgressed into incorrect extremes otherwise:  most overweight people, if they restrict their diets to meat and non-starchy vegetables (i.e., don't eat sugar, fructose, fruit juice, salad dressing with sugar in it, bread, pasta, rice, beans, potatoes, etc., along with the meat and salad), can eat as much as they want each and every day and lose weight up to the point where they are either a normal weight or at least significantly less overweight than they were before starting the diet.

Note what this does not say.  It does not say that 100.0000% of people will get these results.  I saw it work with 8 out of 8.  1 out of 9 might not work, or 2 out of 10, etc.  It does not say that a person can be force-fed an unlimited amount of this and be fine, like a goose being prepared for pate.  Part of the working of the diet is that there is only so much meat and salad you will desire to eat by your own appetite.  At some point, you are full and don't want any more.  You can eat meat and salad until you don't want any more -- every day -- as long as your diet doesn't include that other stuff.  You can't eat a bunch of sugar and carbs and then eat all the meat and salad you want -- it is *just* meat and salad.  It does not say that you will lose weight no matter what weight you are at.  At some point on this diet, you reach your body's new setpoint of weight that is lower than before, and then you stop losing weight.  But that setpoint isn't zero, and different people will have different setpoints.

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Those the facts? 

Yes.

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Ok then.  There are a bunch of people right here that are trying to lose weight.  Put your magic list up and share it with them.  Let them be volunteers for the program that you just put your name on as being a working unfallable way to lose weight guaranteed and let's see who loses and who gains.

Haven't you noticed?  I've done that about 5 times already.

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Who wants to eat as much of specific foods as they want everyday, without excercise, and lose all the weight they need to be healthy?

Everyone wants that.  But there are three problems.

One is that there are a hundred different diets in the world, each of which has someone saying "It's great!"  People aren't going to try every one.  So, I can say this one is great, but not everyone is going to believe me or try it.

Another is that eating a low-carb diet isn't to everyone's liking.  I like it just fine, but some folks are carb hounds.  Also, it is a diet that is (1) more costly (meat and salad cost more than pasta, rice, beans, and potatoes) and (2) less convenient (because most fast food and most convenient snacks are high carb).

Third is that there are people who will give it a try but not really do it.  They will eat a bit lower carb than they did before or at least feel like they are trying to do so, but still eat hamburger buns and tortillas and drink a beer a day and sugary salad dressing and eat a bunch of nuts and have some chips here and there and an iced tea with sugar in it -- then say that they tried it, but it didn't work, when in fact they didn't really try it.

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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #116 on: May 01, 2016, 02:33:35 AM »
Lots of good information about dieting in this thread, also a lot of good discussion pro and contra various ideologies or "truths" around the subject.

There's a couple of things I've learned: Losing weight is possible with any method described here. However, gaining it back is inevitable if you don't change your eating habits permanently. A friend had a mission to find his six-pack before getting married. In a couple of years he built the keg back and now having divorced his height and weight are almost identical in metric numbers.

Getting more calories than you consume will add on your waist. Some food digests causing more effort than other, but not even celery sticks consume more calories than what they bring.

Using smaller plates is an easy trick to reduce portions. It's been psychologically tested. If you've got used to eat one plateful at a time, your mind can't tell the difference between a 10" or 12" plate. They look equally full.

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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #117 on: May 01, 2016, 12:23:48 PM »
I am a diabetic with Neuropathy in both feet, hands, and legs. I have severe Arthritis in both knees. Since 2010, I have been disabled and unable to walk 100 feet without falling. I live in my chair and bed. With that said, I am 5'9 and weigh in at a whopping 422 Lbs. When they put my pump on me in 2010, I went from 265 to over 400 in six months. I now have a crushed disc in my back. So, I can't exercise like normal to lose weight. I do eat less and use smaller plates. But. I still can't lose any .. With all this , How does one lose it and get back to be able to walk without the use of Morphine, and aids like I do now? 
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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #118 on: May 01, 2016, 12:38:34 PM »
Wow, Shipper.. that's aweful! Really sorry to hear that.

As far as a diet, I would think that only a Dr. familiar with you would be able to recommend something that would work.  I sure wouldn't rely on opinions based in here.

My case is just one of willpower and motivation.. along the lines of what the OP posted. 

I did start reading  ' The Big FAT Surprise'..   um.. wow..  disturbing.

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Re: A weight challenge
« Reply #119 on: May 01, 2016, 02:17:40 PM »
I am a diabetic with Neuropathy in both feet, hands, and legs. I have severe Arthritis in both knees. Since 2010, I have been disabled and unable to walk 100 feet without falling. I live in my chair and bed. With that said, I am 5'9 and weigh in at a whopping 422 Lbs. When they put my pump on me in 2010, I went from 265 to over 400 in six months. I now have a crushed disc in my back. So, I can't exercise like normal to lose weight. I do eat less and use smaller plates. But. I still can't lose any .. With all this , How does one lose it and get back to be able to walk without the use of Morphine, and aids like I do now?

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