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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2016, 01:43:51 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 05:48:49 AM
Pretty cool weapon the SDB II with its multiple sensors for terminal guidance: GPS, IR, laser and millimeter-wave radar.

As long as it isn't more expensive than the thing it is blowing up.
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2016, 02:01:30 PM »
Initial cost is about the same as an AGM-114 Hellfire at $120,000 a piece. That may drop considerably with mass production though.
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2016, 04:21:31 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 05:37:48 AM
If I were to venture a guess I'd say they are going to simulate the F-35 carrying the SDB II. Allowing one F-35 to carry eight 204 lb smart-bombs internally + two AMRAAMs. The F-35 can stay high and for all intends and purposes be invisible and invulnerable to ground forces, while delivering precision strikes directed by friendly ground forces. Having two AMRAAMs each a small flight of F-35s will be able to defend themselves against potential air threats, and can also interdict enemy CAS missions before they reach the battle area.

The -B can only carry 4 SDB II's. I mean comon even with 8 that's not even equal to a single Mk84.

What do they hope to do with the SDBs? Mess up ISIS's rose garden?
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2016, 05:11:15 PM »
The B is not replacing the A-10.

A Mk84 is too powerful and indiscriminate for most CAS and especially COIN. Collateral damage is not kosher anymore. The SDB II has a larger explosive filler than the Mk81 250 lb class bomb, and a smart multi purpose fragmentation/hollow-charge warhead to deal with both armor and personnel. And it is a precision weapon.
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2016, 05:28:17 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 05:11:15 PM
A Mk84 is too powerful and indiscriminate for most CAS and especially COIN. Collateral damage is not kosher anymore. The SDB II has a larger explosive filler than the Mk81 250 lb class bomb, and a smart multi purpose fragmentation/hollow-charge warhead to deal with both armor and personnel. And it is a precision weapon.

I'll second that. The smaller the tool to complete the job, the better.
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2016, 05:39:02 PM »
We agree on some things at least. :)
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2016, 05:44:17 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 05:39:02 PM
We agree on some things at least. :)

Though 30mm is still smaller and cheaper :p
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2016, 08:46:26 PM »
And more fun! ... But you need to get close and personal. And how cheap it is depends on what the other guy is shooting back with. ;)
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2016, 12:15:09 AM »
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2016, 06:28:41 AM »
No he did not "shoot down the F-35" if he did indeed "shoot something down" it was the Pentagon's defense acquisition system. That may very well be a legitimate criticism. Bureaucracies only grow bigger and more complex and expensive as their primary goal always has been and always will be to secure their own existence.
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2016, 11:25:08 AM »
I didn't name the video.  Just interesting to hear the comments he made, especially at the end.  The procurement system is broken.  Even if the F35 worked perfectly right NOW, it's 800+ aircraft behind in planned and promised deliveries, and has increased in cost by 200%.  And that's the good news.

I hope this thing works...
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2016, 12:10:56 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 02, 2016, 05:11:15 PM
The B is not replacing the A-10.

A Mk84 is too powerful and indiscriminate for most CAS and especially COIN. Collateral damage is not kosher anymore. The SDB II has a larger explosive filler than the Mk81 250 lb class bomb, and a smart multi purpose fragmentation/hollow-charge warhead to deal with both armor and personnel. And it is a precision weapon.

Mmmkay... I wanna see some ground guys opinion on this?

"Hey pilot guy, can use some smaller bombs on ISIS positions puhlease...."

Yeah right...
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2016, 01:28:20 AM »
Quote from: Gman on May 03, 2016, 11:25:08 AM
I didn't name the video.  Just interesting to hear the comments he made, especially at the end.  The procurement system is broken.  Even if the F35 worked perfectly right NOW, it's 800+ aircraft behind in planned and promised deliveries, and has increased in cost by 200%.  And that's the good news.

I hope this thing works...

The forthcoming Trade agreement with the EU will pay for it.

As I said two years ago the US wants it money back.

The trade agreement is not mentioned in the New Starwars film or James Bond film.

Or family guy :rofl

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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2016, 09:56:06 AM »
Quote from: Vulcan on May 04, 2016, 12:10:56 AM
Mmmkay... I wanna see some ground guys opinion on this?

"Hey pilot guy, can use some smaller bombs on ISIS positions puhlease...."

Yeah right...

Sure. Let's ask the soldiers who are a couple of hundred feet from the enemy, perhaps in an urban environment with civilians nearby, if they want the CAS planes to drop 200 lbs precision munition or 2000 lbs free-fall bombs...
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Re: Now THIS is the fight of the century
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2016, 09:58:35 AM »
If they really want that 2000 lbs bomb, I still don't see the problem...

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