SHOULD I DO IT?

[Chalenge]

It's running good now? I'm shocked with a 330 PSU. I wouldn't change anything in graphics. I would change things so that you can use a bigger PSU, because I think your system is going to have a problem even as it is.

[swinger]

 I asked DELL if it were possible to upgrade the PSU to 750 watts.
They said not possible.
My unit is: DELL X51 R2,I know BAD choice,but I did not want to build another comp, did for 2X's.
Looks like I'm stuck with a BAD CHOICE, I would even accept a PSU located outside the comp?
Is it possible?
Thanks Forum people, you sure know your stuff.

[Chalenge]

If the computer is built with proprietary connectors (Dell's often are) then no.

[swinger]

YIKES       

[SirNuke]

eventually you will find a 150W videocard that is worth the buying over a 970. But then you may want to keep a money for a custom built gaming PC

[swinger]

I think the GTX 1070 is 140 Watt.

[The Fugitive]

I asked DELL if it were possible to upgrade the PSU to 750 watts.
They said not possible.
My unit is: DELL X51 R2,I know BAD choice,but I did not want to build another comp, did for 2X's.
Looks like I'm stuck with a BAD CHOICE, I would even accept a PSU located outside the comp?
Is it possible?
Thanks Forum people, you sure know your stuff.

Anything is possible. If your really interested in a "Frankenstein" type project do your research. A dell powersupply may have a model number on it in which case you can do a google search for the print/pin out of the plugs. You can rebuild the plug using a new powersupply matching the pin outs on that one.

For me .... someone who is comfortable with these types of projects..... I'd still hold off. If your rig runs the beta ok, then don't FIX IT!  But down the road if money is an issue, you might want to try a Frankenstein project.

[Chalenge]

The problem that I have seen out of Dell before is that the PSU is not a standard form, meaning other PSUs will not fit the mounting. The you might consider changing the case, but the case switch and other connectors are not standard either. You can wire that up and then find out the hard drive is also a non-standard mounting. Now, it is possible that my memories are the old way Dell worked things, or partially are memories of HP or Compaq, but those are the types of things you need to be aware of before you go down the rabbit hole.

[Condor]

Now, it is possible that my memories are the old way Dell worked things, or partially are memories of HP or Compaq, but those are the types of things you need to be aware of before you go down the rabbit hole.

Your memory is not out of date. I have a two yr d Dell desktop I use for rotine stuff. Case fans are a non-standard size, MB, appears to be proprietary, and PSU mounting hole spacing is different from Antec  900 case. HD mounting is standard. I also agree with Figitive. Adding  different PSU soul be possible, especially if appearance isn't a concern. I have a set of CH controls that wer ed modified for left hand use.

[Bizman]

eventually you will find a 150W videocard that is worth the buying over a 970. But then you may want to keep a money for a custom built gaming PC

Both the 970 and 1070 are below 150W, one is 140 and the other 145. +1 for saving the money for a custom gamer.

[swinger]

To ALL, Thank You for the most welcomed replies.
I will stay with my present system.

[Gman]

Condor - Chalenge pretty much answered that - yes the 970 will run Ah2 and the beta so far, reasonably well, but certainly not at max with environment cranked, or higher than 1080, and maintain 60fps.  It depends on what you're looking for.  "Suffice" was the exact term I used, and that's accurate IMO, but I was defending a point regarding "running at max at 1080/60fps", which is an entirely different matter than "sufficient". 

Skuzzy - I specifically said in the first post I made, I disagreed partially with going to a 1070 not being a great idea. IE obviously it will give some performance increase, however based on the 1080 so far, and the performance that it's giving compared to 980 and 970 cards I just sold... I didn't and haven't tried to "justify" anything.  I NEVER said there wouldn't be an improvement from going to a 1070 from a 970, any idiot knows that, what I said was if he was going to upgrade specifically for AH3 - something the OP NEVER even mentioned btw, as he was speaking of "this game", which is AH2 right now, NOT the beta - that he would be better served to go to a 1080, because even the 1080 can't run max right not, not even with 2 of them, regardless of how poor the SLI profile is or not, so going to a 1070 expecting a worthwhile increase compared to the 970, it would be FAR better to go to a 1080, or wait for something even faster.

I'm curious - do you or HTC even HAVE a 1070?  How about a 1080?  Or a 970 outside of the note book you've mentioned?  You scold me for making observations about card performances, yet I have the above cards - minus the 1070 - and the pictures/video/film of them performing in AH2 and beta, and so far as I know, you don't. How exactly is that making me "justifying" my opinion when you're basing yours on not even having tried your software on any of the above, or at the very least, not responding with your observations on the same HW if you DO happen to have it.  You said the 1070 will outperform the 970.  I think anyone who knows even a slight bit about GPUs will understand that.  By how much will it outpeform the 970?  See what I mean?  I know exactly how much the 1080 will, and the 1070 is going to be a lot less than that - IE I have actual data in hand from observation, not just assumption.  Yet I'm "justifying".

[Easyscor]

I love that you guys are in this community. I would have wasted around $300 I could put toward a 1070 if it weren't for your threads about the new Pascal tech. You saved me that mistake and I appreciate it. Seriously, you are among the elite bleeding edge early adaptors that plow the way for the rest of us.

Even more so, you will drop $700 this month and it sounds like you're ready to spend maybe $1000 more on their next card within six months. Wooho! I wish I could do that!

I think I'm more the norm. By your standards I'm running a pathetic Radeon HD 6850 with a Passmark of ~2.2k but it's completely playable for AH3 when tuned. No Post Lighting, etc etc. I want more obviously, hence the wish for a GTX 1070 which I expect to run AH3 and everything else I want until the year 2020. But when I'm ready for another card or other hardware, I'll be back in here in plenty of time to see what you guys are talking about and wishing for.

Here's the reason for this post. When someone shows up and says they want to run AH3 with everything turned on it simply shows they don't understand what that means in the context of (multiple?) 4K monitors etc. and unlimited budgets. If I was reading that stuff I'd conclude I couldn't afford the hardware to run this game. There are several questions you guys know to ask that would help, and you know better then I what they are. Heck, you could copy and paste them in one quick motion.

Anyway, thanks for keeping the rest of us up to date on this stuff. From your discussions, I've learned to compare what's available, while keeping in mind that they're just simple numbers for comparison. For me, this is most useful.

GTX 1080 - 12,713
GTX 1070 - 11,920
GTX_ 970 - 8,661
Radeon 6850 - 2,240 LOL

Jumping to a card 5.3 times faster then the one I'm using is good enough for me compared to 5.7 times faster and costing another $200-$300. My experience tells me I won't find enough difference to justify a $100 difference in price.
The 1070 should run AH3 to my standards in my current box, including all the terrain editors. When I need to, I'll upgrade the MB and processor and I'll still be able to see 2020 on this box.

btw, Gigabyte has just announced a Mini sized 1070 card for those with cramped boxes. That's all I know about it but that might help some of the folks with mass produced brand name boxes.

[Skuzzy]

Calm down Gman.  One more time:  The statement you made, which I highlighted in bold was incorrect.  The 1070 will perform better in AH3 than a 970 will.  How much?  Might only be 1 percentage point, but it will perform better.  The performance gains will depend on the system configuration.

Even you agree, but that was not the initial statement you made. 

Yes, we have a 970, 980ti, 1070, and 1080 in house.  Yes, I agree, if you have a 970, a 1080 would upgrade makes more sense.  Never said it did not make sense.

Not scolding you. Not picking on you.  Not beating you about the head and shoulders.  Just correcting a flawed statement. No other agenda.

This is what you said:

I don't think I would bother going from 970 to 1070 - to a 1080, especially for AH3, sure, otherwise, I'd wait as Biz said.  If you play other stuff, then by all means.

The implication is the 1070 would not get you any performance gains in AH3, but it would in other games. That statement is incorrect.

It may not have been your intent for that statement to read that way, but it certainly can be read that way.

You agree the 1070 would get better performance over a 970 in AH3, then we are on the same page.  The performance gain would be the only question.

[Latrobe]

A 970 will play any game out there exceptionally well on high graphics. Unless you're trying to run 4K there is no need to upgrade to the 10 series. I would look at upgrading other parts of your computer (depending on what those specs are)