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Offline Hajo

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2016, 10:31:48 AM »
Out of many books I have, mostly on History, Baseball and WWII air and ground combat the complete works of Mark Twain and F Scott Fitzgerald, two of the three greatest American Authors I enjoy the most.  After I've read a book on any sort of history it becomes a reference book.  But for pure enjoyment and discerning what an author shines at, the Twain and Fitzgerald books draw me back again and again to smile, see their differences in story telling, and generally learn more about the times in which they lived just by reading their descriptive narratives.

Along with Hemmingway..............all three authors deserve your attention.  Reading them is a joy.  To me this is obvious and mostly overlooked.
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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2016, 01:02:03 PM »
For Whom the Bell Tolls ! ! ! One of the best books, impossible to put down, edge of your seat kind of stuff, heartbreaking, etc. etc.! It's set in a war of course but I don't think I'd necessarily consider it a 'war novel' especially set against stuff that's basically memoirs.

You should reread Grapes of Wrath even if you read it in high school because it's so good and it's easy to miss artistry and beauty when you're forced to read something for a high school English class! If you don't mind something a bit longer I just finished East of Eden which is really incredible in breadth and somehow manages to be fairly concise (?) and consistently compelling, and is one of those novels that is so basically and classically American.

Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell is a really interesting companion to For Whom the Bell Tolls, Orwell actually fought in the Spanish Civil War and he fights from sort of the 'other side' of the Republican forces. Orwell's writing is also funny and clever and is really the picture of what journalism should be, making his biases (there's no such thing as writing without bias etc.) very clear. It also puts other Orwell which you may have read into a bit better context, plus it's neat to read an author who's so deeply associated with satirical/allegorical writing doing something so plain and straightforward.

If you want to read stuff that you can talk to people about, Haruki Murakami has been really popular for a while and his books are nice and clever and entertaining, not too dense, if a bit formulaic once you've read a bunch (he is - to use an unfortunate cultural pigeonhole - kind of a Miyazaki for lit). I think 'Kafka on the Shore' is a good starting place and the short story collection 'the Elephant Vanishes' is really fun, too.

I also think Kurt Vonnegut is great, super short reads (even if the page length starts to swell his writing is really straightforward) that I think are socially and culturally relevant still and like, come on, everyone loves some Vonnegut. So, if you've already read some but haven't read Mother Night or Breakfast of Champions those are definitely two of my favorites. I was initially turned off by Cat's Cradle which seemed like your standard obnoxious 'i'm a writer hard sciences are silly' kind of thing but he actually went to Stanford for chemistry and Carnegie Mellon for mechanical engineering and comes from a really important scientific family, and finding that out kind of lead to me reassessing and really liking that aspect of what he was saying as well (it's more nuanced than it may initially seem).

As far as Russian lit goes I would say don't just jump in and read Crime and Punishment and War and Peace because they're slogs (well, especially War and Peace). Dostoyevskiy and Tolstoy also have a tendency to create these really interesting complicated moral quandaries and then at the end be like 'lol nvm god's cool' which I imagine can be frustrating for a first time reader after 800-odd pages. Also just from an artistic standpoint Russian literature is very referential and it's a completely different cultural vocabulary as far as allusions to previous works go so you can miss a lot of interesting stuff as a foreign reader.
The real treasure trove for an American is the Russian short story/novella which every important Russian author wrote plenty of and they're really consumable and accessible. There's a saying that 'if you haven't read Gogol then you can't read Russian literature' which is really speaking to the fact that you should read short stories like Poor Liza (Karamzin), the Overcoat (Gogol), the Nose (Gogol), Bobok (Dostoyevskiy), Queen of Spades (Pushkin), etc. before launching into the 'great novels'. Doing a little bit of research into Orthodox Christianity probably also wouldn't really hurt for understanding some subtlety but I'm also a nerd for that sort of stuff so it's probably not important. Also if you decide you're going to read something and you can manage to find it, look for a translation by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky, they're really good and translation makes all the difference for how much you're going to enjoy what you're reading. They also maintain the Russian system for addressing people which is important for understanding how characters are interacting in my opinion (I don't really like reading translations where this is simplified) but also kind of confusing, but they have explanations at the beginning of their books.

And have fun because reading a book you don't like is lame!
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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2016, 01:17:35 PM »
For Whom the Bell Tolls ! ! ! One of the best books, impossible to put down, edge of your seat kind of stuff, heartbreaking, etc. etc.! It's set in a war of course but I don't think I'd necessarily consider it a 'war novel' especially set against stuff that's basically memoirs.

You should reread Grapes of Wrath even if you read it in high school because it's so good and it's easy to miss artistry and beauty when you're forced to read something for a high school English class! If you don't mind something a bit longer I just finished East of Eden which is really incredible in breadth and somehow manages to be fairly concise (?) and consistently compelling, and is one of those novels that is so basically and classically American.

Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell is a really interesting companion to For Whom the Bell Tolls, Orwell actually fought in the Spanish Civil War and he fights from sort of the 'other side' of the Republican forces. Orwell's writing is also funny and clever and is really the picture of what journalism should be, making his biases (there's no such thing as writing without bias etc.) very clear. It also puts other Orwell which you may have read into a bit better context, plus it's neat to read an author who's so deeply associated with satirical/allegorical writing doing something so plain and straightforward.

If you want to read stuff that you can talk to people about, Haruki Murakami is super hot right now and his books are nice and clever and entertaining, not too dense, if a bit formulaic once you've read a bunch (he is - to use an unfortunate cultural pigeonhole - kind of a Miyazaki for lit). I think 'Kafka on the Shore' is a good starting place and the short story collection 'the Elephant Vanishes' is really fun, too.

I also Kurt Vonnegut is also great, super short reads (even if the page length starts to swell his writing is really straightforward) that I think are socially and culturally relevant still and like, come on, everyone loves some Vonnegut. So, if you've already read some but haven't read Mother Night or Breakfast of Champions those are definitely two of my favorites. I was initially turned off by Cat's Cradle which seemed like your standard obnoxious 'i'm a writer hard sciences are silly' kind of thing but he actually went to Stanford for chemistry and Carnegie Mellon for mechanical engineering and comes from a really important scientific family, and finding that out kind of lead to me reassessing and really liking that aspect of what he was saying as well (it's more nuanced than it may initially seem).

As far as Russian lit goes I would say don't just jump in and read Crime and Punishment and War and Peace because they're slogs (well, especially War and Peace). Dostoyevskiy and Tolstoy also have a tendency to create these really interesting complicated moral quandaries and then at the end be like 'lol nvm god's cool' which I imagine can be frustrating for a first time reader after 800-odd pages. Also just from an artistic standpoint Russian literature is very referential and it's a completely different cultural vocabulary as far as allusions to previous works go so you can miss a lot of interesting stuff as a foreign reader.
The real treasure trove for an American is the Russian short story/novella which every important Russian author wrote plenty of and they're really consumable and accessible. There's a saying that 'if you haven't read Gogol then you can't read Russian literature' which is really speaking to the fact that you should read short stories like Poor Liza (Karamzin), the Overcoat (Gogol), the Nose (Gogol), Bobok (Dostoyevskiy), Queen of Spades (Pushkin), etc. before launching into the 'great novels'. Doing a little bit of research into Orthodox Christianity probably also wouldn't really hurt for understanding some nuance but I'm also a nerd for that sort of stuff so it's probably not important. Also if you decide you're going to read something and you can manage to find it, look for a translation by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky, they're really good and translation makes all the difference for how much you're going to enjoy what you're reading. They also maintain the Russian system for addressing people which is important for understanding how characters are interacting (I don't really like reading translations where this is simplified) but also kind of confusing, but they have explanations at the beginning of their books.

And have fun because reading a book you don't like is lame!
You didn't mention Bulgakov you son of squeak!  :angry:
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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2016, 01:23:46 PM »
You didn't mention Bulgakov you son of squeak!  :angry:
Well he's a bit late in Russian literary history to be foundational in the same sense as Gogol or Pushkin but beside Master & Margarita which was already mentioned he's got a fun short story cycle called 'a Young Doctor's Notebook' from like right after the Revolution which I like

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2016, 03:42:34 PM »
For books that forewarn of uncomfortably possible futures:

1984, by Orwell
Brave New World, by Huxley

They are doubleplus good.

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2016, 04:38:38 PM »
Well, I'm on a warpath of self improvement, and one of the things I wanted to work on was becoming more well read. I realized, when I started trying to check things off of my list, how ambiguous of a goal that is... so I'm coming to you all! For a man on a goal to simply being more "cultured" and "well read", what books would you all recommend? I'm NOT looking for military/WWII/aviation books lol. Lord knows I have enough of those...

First off, I don't see why any one would WANT to SEEM more "cultured" and "well read". Be yourself.

Second, read the books those you hang out with read. If your interested in hanging out with these people then you should share likes and dislikes. No point reading "the Glory Hole" if your hanging out with a bunch of christians   :devil

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2016, 05:00:16 PM »
If into historical fiction I recommend the Look Away series by Harold Coyle. It's about the Civil War, and in my opinion a very well written set of novels about the conflict.
I'd also recommend One Second After, it's about a electromagnetic pulse attack on the US, and how the US and the world gradually turns into hardcore survival mode.
If you're into nature stuff I recommend Ranger Confidential.
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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2016, 06:18:25 PM »
I recently read Empire of the summer Moon; Quanah Parker Rise and Fall of the Comanches
I'm not really into old west books but this non-fictional book was probably the best I've ever read~!

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2016, 07:15:03 PM »
First off, I don't see why any one would WANT to SEEM more "cultured" and "well read". Be yourself.

Second, read the books those you hang out with read. If your interested in hanging out with these people then you should share likes and dislikes. No point reading "the Glory Hole" if your hanging out with a bunch of christians   :devil

I'm not trying to SEEM anything, I'm trying to become lol. There's only so much personal growth I can accomplish reading Star Wars novels and Message to Garcia lol

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2016, 09:12:42 PM »
I'm not trying to SEEM anything, I'm trying to become lol. There's only so much personal growth I can accomplish reading Star Wars novels and Message to Garcia lol

What does "cultured" mean to you?

Personally Im a Sci-Fi/Fantasy nut. I have hundreds of books and have given away more (donated to libraries, second hand book shops and so on) then I now have. During my Navy days I would go through a book or two a week. It's slowed do now, just don't have the time.

Does it make my "cultured"? Well read? in some circles I guess so, but the important thing is not to do something to impress, do it because you like it. In the end wasting time to impressing people just isn't worth the trouble. 

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2016, 10:07:37 PM »
The History Channel does something actually entertaining.

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2016, 10:11:42 PM »
What does "cultured" mean to you?

Personally Im a Sci-Fi/Fantasy nut. I have hundreds of books and have given away more (donated to libraries, second hand book shops and so on) then I now have. During my Navy days I would go through a book or two a week. It's slowed do now, just don't have the time.

Does it make my "cultured"? Well read? in some circles I guess so, but the important thing is not to do something to impress, do it because you like it. In the end wasting time to impressing people just isn't worth the trouble.

I guess I should say I'm attempting to become more well-rounded. I can talk for days in a sci-fi circle, or surrounded by aviation nuts, but I don't have much to say when in conversation with "normal" people lol.

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2016, 08:55:46 AM »
For books that forewarn of uncomfortably possible futures:

1984, by Orwell
Brave New World, by Huxley

They are doubleplus good.

You should read One Second After, and it's follow up, One Year After, by Forstchen.  He writes a little ham-fistedly, but it's intriguing stuff.  The prepper crowd apparently loves it.
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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2016, 10:50:56 AM »
You should read One Second After, and it's follow up, One Year After, by Forstchen.  He writes a little ham-fistedly, but it's intriguing stuff.  The prepper crowd apparently loves it.

An old favorite in that genre is Canticle for Leibowitz, by Robert Heinlein.

An observation about Warrior Culture:  Well-roundedness is quite different than effete-snobishness.  The first is to be sought over a career/lifetime and the second is to be avoided at all costs.  It's clear to me that Serenity understands the distinction.  Let no man dishonor that.  You start any journey at the beginning and this is a great beginning - asking questions of friends in a 'safe place'.  Let's keep it that way.

Then, of course, a (large) number of us are (at this moment) are taking away book titles from this thread that we've never heard of and are enthusiastically researching them on Amazon, et al.  Who's a loser here?

I apologize for any sins committed while belaboring the obvious.

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Re: Need a book recommendation
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2016, 12:23:27 PM »
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