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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2016, 04:17:22 PM »
I only updated an 8.1 machine because I can't imagine a worse OS since Milenium. So far 10 is working well for me. :pray My other machine including my gaming machine will remain W7. There seem to be new problems cropping up with W7, however. I, and many others are having trouble getting monthly updates.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2016, 04:32:06 PM »
I only updated an 8.1 machine because I can't imagine a worse OS since Milenium. So far 10 is working well for me. :pray My other machine including my gaming machine will remain W7. There seem to be new problems cropping up with W7, however. I, and many others are having trouble getting monthly updates.

The slow updates are due to Microsoft slowing them deliberately.  Each time they have been confronted about they side step the issue.

Guys, let's keep this discussion at a technical level please.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2016, 05:50:12 PM »
I've noticed performance improvements since my upgrade. Stuff loads faster, runs faster, why is that?
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2016, 06:03:09 PM »
I just got the popup that updates are available. When I looked in settings for the updates I saw

Cumulative update for windows 10........
Restart required

Feature update to windows 10, ver 1607
Error


When I clicked on error I got a link to the W10 upgrade FAQ page with no info on errors fort his update. Any thoughts on how to proceed?
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #79 on: August 13, 2016, 01:20:07 AM »
Condor, is there a space remaining issue on your SSD? Do you already have a folder named Windows.old?
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2016, 11:26:18 AM »
I've noticed performance improvements since my upgrade. Stuff loads faster, runs faster, why is that?

If programs are running faster it would normally indicated the previous OS had some things running in background eating up CPU time.  Load times would also be impacted the same way, although to a lesser degree.  Could also be Superfetch (Windows service) beat you to loading a program first.  Could also be a particular Microsoft update which eats about 15% of the CPU time.  It's only reason to exist is to send telemetry data (i.e. let MS know everything you are doing with your computer) to Microsoft.

If you run with the auto-updater enabled and just let Microsoft install everything, then the latter is likely.

The program manger/exec code in Windows 10 is right from Windows 7/8/8.1.  The drivers for the disk subsystem are the same, and the filesystem is also the same.  The memory manager is also the same.  In other words, there really is no difference in the way Windows loads or executes a program between all the versions of Windows since Windows 7.

If one is perceived to be faster (loading or running applications) than the other it usually means there are external issues affecting the performance, unrelated to the version of the OS.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2016, 12:11:06 PM »
Condor, is there a space remaining issue on your SSD? Do you already have a folder named Windows.old?

Chalenge,

I don't have an SSD and my C drive has about 700GB free space. I have no Windows.old folder. I assume that's because I did a clean install of Windows 10 after completing the upgrade. I made the mistake of not rolling the time for the restart back and my computer rebooted overnight. The cumulative upgrade, a security upgrade, and the malicious software removal tool were installed. The anniversary update did not. I am still running version 1511 of Windows 10. I see no error messages regarding the anniversary update.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #82 on: August 13, 2016, 03:31:16 PM »
Challenge I have a windows.old folder on my computer and I am running out of HD space. Should I remove it and will removing it cause any problems?
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2016, 04:15:57 AM »
is there any reason at all to even consider running Win10? No, honestly. Serious question. What does it bring, at all, that might take me away from an established and steady OS I already have?

For what I've seen and read, it seems to have potential. It uses the system more efficiently than its predecessors which can't be considered to be a bad thing. MS also seems to "listen" (in their own peculiar way) to their customers as this Anniversary update shows and as usual there's new bugs included in the improvements.

I hope Win10 will mature during the next four years Win7 is still supported. If not, Win8.1 might be a viable option for another three years of procrastinating.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2016, 01:09:59 PM »
Challenge I have a windows.old folder on my computer and I am running out of HD space. Should I remove it and will removing it cause any problems?

I was looking for anything that might be common to the systems that refuse to upgrade. I know of one computer (not mine unfortunately) that has not allowed an update to take hold since Windows 10 went into the free upgrade mode. It updated to Windows 10, but now refuses to take another update. That computer is on an M.2 SSD with Norton 360, but that's all I know. I have not been able to check that system out yet.

Windows 10 Anniversary will tell the user that you can continue to work as the update is applied. I think you are better off shutting down all programs and even rebooting before applying the update. When it goes wrong it might be just a little problem, or it can go straight to the BSOD mode.

Norton seems to be a common issue. I keep trying to get people to go with ESET, but they cling to Norton. In the case of the original W10 install that has never updated it was Norton 360 and I suspect that is at least part of the problem.

Concerning Windows.old you should think about this before proceeding. If you think you might need to restore to the old version then you want to keep that folder. You might also want to do some research on moving files or folders that are in that path. Rather than move them I would reinstall, but I know that is not always an option.

The proper way to remove the folder and clear up that huge amount of space it is using would be to use the Disk Cleanup routine and to search through the available options for "Previous Windows installations."

What I did was to use the update (W10A) for about a week, or until this last Friday, and then I did the Windows Reset. Bear in mind though that I keep all of my libraries on various drives so nothing would be lost. The immediate effect of a reset is that only windows remains and it is in a pristine state. So, instead of having twenty-one Adobe products and seventeen Autodesk products slowing down the boot process by adding services and background processes, the boot is straight forward and much, much faster.

Windows 10 A. has the advantage of including the Bash shell, which has several geeks I know of all giddy inside and out. I like the new Dark Theme, which allows me to leave the system running at night without causing the entire house to glow. The systems that I have changed MBs in require a call from MS-India (I believe) because even the new Activation trouble shooter cannot cure that problem, but at least there is a troubleshooter now. Edge does have new plugins including Netflix, LastPass, and Ad-block, which really had problems before the update (at least for some people). If you have a tobii eyeX or similar facial/eye recognition device your system will now log you into properly prepared websites without a password (biometric authentication). Personally, I prefer the TPM modules to biometric. The most important to me is the Windows Ink, but a lot of the promised functionality has not materialized yet. Cortana has been improved, but I shut that off within the first 20 seconds of W10A, but not completely (BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!!!). And Now Cortana has taken over my phone too. Universal Skype has swallowed my remaining Skype credits in favor of my Xbox/Live account, and I have not discovered how to recover that yet (time issue). The Start menu has gotten rid of the "All Apps" method in favor of immediate access (and more advertising), but I do like what they have done with Money, Weather, Alarm, and so on. I have not looked into what Continuum can do for me yet, but it seems promising. Xbox Play Anywhere brings Xbox games to your PC (this is really big at the moment). The Notifications and Action Center are better integrated even with non-Windows mail apps, which also makes the Calendar more useful (properly setup it can also broadcast to any PC on your network should you be at a different desk during an alarm event). Probably there is more than that which just aren't coming to me at the moment.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2016, 01:33:58 PM »
Chalenge, not only Windows can restrict downloads from metered connections. Norton may have that feature too! I've seen it only once, so it may have been a short lived oddity. Anyhow, hidden deep in the settings there was a checked box saying that the connection was metered, effectively restricting even heavier websites to load. And the connection was WiFi from a cable modem in the next room instead of mobile broadband.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2016, 01:50:40 PM »
I did look for that on my father's system, but if it was the issue it was buried deep inside of Norton 360 in some sort of Easter-egg area (well hidden). This newer problem I won't know any more details about until it is brought over this next week. I fixed my father's system by using the media creation tool and running the update as an upgrade from the DVD. The upgrade method worked well.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2016, 05:52:26 PM »
I did look for that on my father's system, but if it was the issue it was buried deep inside of Norton 360 in some sort of Easter-egg area (well hidden). This newer problem I won't know any more details about until it is brought over this next week. I fixed my father's system by using the media creation tool and running the update as an upgrade from the DVD. The upgrade method worked well.

I originally upgraded from 8.1 to 10 using the media creation tool. So there is a new media creation tool for the anniversary update? 
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2016, 07:03:32 PM »
Bought a gaming computer with win 10 installed and I haven't experienced any issues. Besides the forced upgrades maybe, one time it said a restart was necessary and would occur in 15 mins so I just restarted and thought it will be enough but no - it still did the scheduled restart a few minutes later...
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #89 on: August 14, 2016, 11:08:37 PM »
I originally upgraded from 8.1 to 10 using the media creation tool. So there is a new media creation tool for the anniversary update?

The current media creation tool will wrap up all of the previous updates into a single image file (ISO) which you can burn to DVD, or there is a USB option also.
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