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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2016, 05:36:51 AM »
i bought a windows 10 disk and installed it fresh and so far its been good for me the only issue i had was when it installed the nvidea drivers on its own i had no nvidea control panel so i had to uninstall the video drivers and then i downloaded them and installed myself and all was great thats the only issue so far ive had. it boots up alot faster than windows 7 did on my machine.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2016, 05:58:50 PM »
The latest news on the "Freezing OS" thread indicates that MS has no idea why it is happening, but that some systems that are arranged like mine are having major problems. I guess I dodged that bullet!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/15/microsoft-warns-windows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/#1cbb49287745
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2016, 06:48:59 PM »
I did look for that on my father's system, but if it was the issue it was buried deep inside of Norton 360 in some sort of Easter-egg area (well hidden). This newer problem I won't know any more details about until it is brought over this next week. I fixed my father's system by using the media creation tool and running the update as an upgrade from the DVD. The upgrade method worked well.

The fix for this system involved a little time. First, the problem seemed to stem from the OS having been mounted on an M.2 PCIe SSD without any supporting HDD. Libraries had been moved to a second SSD. I was able to clone the OS to a HDD, move the Libraries back into place, and finally to boot from the HDD and run the update. Once that was completed I could move the Libraries back to the second SSD and restore the boot drive to the M.2 PCIe SSD. Hopefully MS can fix this so that the same procedure doesn't have to take place for each new update.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2016, 04:13:43 AM »
Paul Thurrott, a Microsoft and Windows centric individual announced this weekend that MILLIONS of Windows PCs have been negatively impacted by the Windows 10 Anniversary update. It seems Microsoft made the decision to cut the cord on millions of webcams world wide, which negatively impacts even the Microsoft Skype service. The reasoning behind the move was to improve performance of their own streaming applications (but obvious kicking Skype to the curb). The one and only solution if this negatively impacts you, is to rollback out of the update.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update

The impact of systems that have not been able to update is not well known, because the Anniversary update does not always inform the user that the update has failed. If the user does not actually run into a "ROLLBACK_POINT" failure then the failure does not automatically generate a failure message, which leaves it up to the user to know and use the "WINVER" command to determine the version currently in use.

Not a great update at the moment, apparently.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2016, 01:23:59 PM »
The fix for this system involved a little time. First, the problem seemed to stem from the OS having been mounted on an M.2 PCIe SSD without any supporting HDD. Libraries had been moved to a second SSD. I was able to clone the OS to a HDD, move the Libraries back into place, and finally to boot from the HDD and run the update. Once that was completed I could move the Libraries back to the second SSD and restore the boot drive to the M.2 PCIe SSD. Hopefully MS can fix this so that the same procedure doesn't have to take place for each new update.

As of the following day (16 August 2016) Microsoft is now recommending this as the method of correcting the frozen update.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #95 on: August 28, 2016, 12:24:43 AM »
The fix for this system involved a little time. First, the problem seemed to stem from the OS having been mounted on an M.2 PCIe SSD without any supporting HDD. Libraries had been moved to a second SSD. I was able to clone the OS to a HDD, move the Libraries back into place, and finally to boot from the HDD and run the update. Once that was completed I could move the Libraries back to the second SSD and restore the boot drive to the M.2 PCIe SSD. Hopefully MS can fix this so that the same procedure doesn't have to take place for each new update.
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I need some clarification here. I am getting ready to use M.2 SSD as a lone boot drive. What do u mean by not having an HDD............?
gonna due a clean install from disc.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #96 on: August 28, 2016, 12:45:42 AM »
The primary reason that so many computers have never been able to update is related to installing Windows 10 to an SSD and then moving the libraries (My Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos, and so on) to any other disk (SSD, or HDD). The one case that I have not been able to repair after this "frozen update" situation arises is an M.2 PCIe SSD used as the boot drive. Even moving the entire installation to a HDD would not allow the update process to proceed. In another situation doing so fixed everything.

In other words, that's not to say that this might happen in every case, but I will point out that Microsoft still does not have a fix for that situation when it does occur.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2016, 08:59:08 AM »
U chose to redistribute files to another drive? W10 made the choice?

Why did u wish to place those files elsewhere? drive longevity or file protection.............

and lastly, are you talking about updating to anniversary from a w7 to w10 upgrade or about a w10 clean install to anniversary update?

Since I am getting ready to go there, I want to be aware of as many pitfalls as I can.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #98 on: August 28, 2016, 03:13:07 PM »
Moving the libraries is something that has been an option in Windows for a very long time. It allows you to use the same files across the different versions of Windows and is really handy in multi-boot environments. The reason I chose to do it initially was to keep the boot drive size small. The way you do this is to open File Explorer and right click on one of the Libraries (Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos) and choose Properties. There will be tabs on the Properties window and one of them will be Location. You can move the entire library and its contents by using the Move option.

I began doing this because originally my Documents folder exceeded the size of my first SSD even though that SSD was 1TB in size (even now that's a big SSD). My Pictures folder was another offender, and so was Downloads, and even Videos.

There is something you MUST be aware of when you do this. When Microsoft developed Windows 8 (or maybe it was 8.1) the OS would refuse to install if the /Users folder had been moved off of the C:\ drive. People had been doing this to keep the boot drive as small as possible, since they wanted to conserve precious SSD space. Several programs like Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, Audition, and probably many others that I do not use will maintain their media cache files in the User folder. DO NOT move the /User folder. Instead, move the cache. For one thing, the /User folder does not have the ability to be relocated. Worse, if you do that then Windows 8, 8.1, and 10, 10A will enter an unstable state and update issues will result. However, that is not always the cause of the frozen update issue.

The update I'm talking about is every update to Windows 10, since Windows 10 was initially installed. People that have this issue have run Windows update from the very beginning, but the update executes and does not warn them that the update did not work. Instead, the update exits smoothly as if nothing was wrong. The same is true of the W10A update. In every case the notification Window reports "Updates were installed," but the version number reported by the WINVER command remains the same.

Just so you know a little more; my system does not have an M.2 SSD and I have not had the update issue. I did notice that Windows had moved the base Library folders back to the SSD when I updated to W10A, but they were empty. It was just a simple matter of moving the folders again and everything I have in those Libraries is restored. In other words, I was not personally hit with the frozen update issue on my primary PC. However, I did have people that I know come to me with the problem and that is how I found a way to fix their systems so that the OS could update. When I found systems that still would not update I performed the return to HDD and update boot as my own fix and informed MS (yeah, I did that). I still have a few contacts that have not been able to run the update even with the HDD fix.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #99 on: August 28, 2016, 04:26:35 PM »
New with Windows 10 you can move the ProfilesDirectory (I know; I just told you not to), but the reason you may not want to is the affect it may have on legacy programs. I think the decision to change this behavior may be the root of the problem now, but that's up to MS to discover.

Whatever you do, DO NOT move your ProgramData folder. Yes, there is a way to point to a new location, but that will cause any and all service updates to fail just like the frozen update issue. MS has hinted that this might be the problem, but if so it must be a utility associated with relocating an OS to an SSD rather than the users because of the shear number of users involved.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #100 on: August 28, 2016, 07:39:44 PM »
tbh, seems like a lot of trouble for little gain. Why not just copy the MS structured files contents, then empty?

Only SSD, OS changes I made were moving page file off boot disc and disabling superfetch and prefetch. These things are just wasted cache space. 1ms seek times for SSD.
I try and not use my pc for a storage device. Have a my book live for that.

Looks like this specific concern will not affect moi. I would not call this a bug tho. If you are removing or changing windows base files, then you should expect template problems yes?
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2016, 08:10:35 PM »
No, this is a feature that is not functioning as designed. It is not a situation like the page file where people have been tweaking things to see which is faster (nothing you do to the page file will be faster). It is just a matter of relocating libraries so that they save space on one drive, or allow the files to be accessed when in another environment.

The simplest way to look at it is that Microsoft dropped the ball. Can they fix it? Unknown. I would bet that their suggestion will center around a completely new installation.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #102 on: August 31, 2016, 09:50:46 PM »
Could be time for yet another OS reset for me, but I had everything in AHIII working great until today's W10A update came through. Now the game freezes while loading and nothing I can do will allow a smooth exit. Windows will allow me to reboot, but AHIII will not shut down on it's own. Windows Task Manager no longer comes up once the game crashes. Before the update it would open, but Aces High was listed as a 32-bit background process with nothing showing as an active program.

I have scrubbed the game and will try the patch 2 complete installer first.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #103 on: September 08, 2016, 04:11:32 PM »
http://wccftech.com/download-windows-10-iso/

interesting site, comments from those who know.
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary - there will be bugs
« Reply #104 on: October 18, 2016, 05:40:00 PM »
I'm having an issue when I start AH3 on 10 Pro.  The initial window for the title screen/clipboard comes up white and won't display until I minimize or maximize the window.  The game also has a hard time closing out full screen and returning to desktop without help from the task manager...  Any suggestions?
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