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Offline TheRapier

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Getting on the update train
« on: September 04, 2016, 08:31:36 PM »
I see that the community is currently split between the unsupported production arena and the Beta arena. I want to update or if necessary change my machine to run the beta. I know its not new but its only use is pretty much Aces High so its not overloaded. :)

I run a 3 monitor set up and so have the ports open to do it. At the time of purchase ATI made that much easier so I use that card.

What surgery is possible here or is it jack up the gas cap and drive a new computer under it? :)

Here is my DxDiag:
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As just an FYI side note, you might want to let the folks in the main arena know what is happening. As unbelievable as it might sound, about half the people playing don't frequent the BBS and so just see that the arenas are tanking. There is a lot of discussion about where all the players have gone.

Thanks!
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2016, 10:11:31 PM »
Easiest thing to do is download and install AH3. 10 minutes and you'll know if your system can handle it. If not, you can tweak the adjustable that HTC has built in ans see if you can be happy with it. If not THEN ask what you should upgrade.
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2016, 10:35:32 PM »
Yes, that system should run AH3 on a single monitor. Not sure about three monitors and since you might be wanting all the bells and whistles, it will be your call in the end as Fugitive suggests. You're a bit late to this party.
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2016, 11:44:25 PM »
Downloaded it and ran it offline at about 21 FPS. Seems like it might work with a better vid card. A lot of little issues to work through.

Any recommendations on a card?

Thanks!
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 01:58:38 AM »
Quote from: TheRapier on September 04, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
Downloaded it and ran it offline at about 21 FPS. Seems like it might work with a better vid card. A lot of little issues to work through.

Any recommendations on a card?

Thanks!
Depends on your budget. The lowest card I would recommend is the GTX 750.
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 08:14:29 AM »
Quote from: TheRapier on September 04, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
Downloaded it and ran it offline at about 21 FPS. Seems like it might work with a better vid card. A lot of little issues to work through.

Any recommendations on a card?

Thanks!

Im running a 670 and I have things almost maxed out and hold a steady 59 fps. If you can find them, they are about $120. For top end the 1080 is looking to be a good buy. 500w power supply or better is also a plus.
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 10:39:47 AM »
Your current rig should run at 1440p relatively well, mine is about the same. Triple monitors will most likely need more. Based on benchmarks the GTX750 BowHTR mentioned is actually weaker than a Radeon HD6970 so that would be no improvement.

If your power supply is good enough, a used GTX #70 or #80 by Nvidia starting from the 600 series might be a good choice, from the new ones even the GTX 1060 might do if your budget is tight.
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2016, 11:55:22 AM »
Quote from: Bizman on September 05, 2016, 10:39:47 AM
Based on benchmarks the GTX750 BowHTR mentioned is actually weaker than a Radeon HD6970 so that would be no improvement.

I should have worded my response better. That's my fault. The lowest card I would recommend to anyone is the GTX750, without knowing the specs of their current card. There's a lot better options out there, but I have experience with the GTX750 (Non TI version) to say that it runs AH3 very well to be a $100~ card. I didn't check his card specs, as I wasn't at my computer at the time.

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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2016, 02:34:22 PM »
The AH2 candle is burning at both ends.   
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2016, 04:06:34 PM »
Thanks for the replies folks!! Much appreciated!

Most of the suggestions are for Nvidia cards. Its been a while since I set it up but ATI/AMD made the multi monitor set up a piece of cake. Does Nvidia now make this easier OR are there recommendations for AMD cards?

I'm thinking the AMD cards are likely cheaper as well. I'd want to go up as high as I can without choking the CPU on the motherboard as this is likely the last upgrade this machine will get. The numbering system on AMD changed from the Radeon 6900 I had before. Seems like something equivalent to a Radeon 8900. Looks like an RX 460 or 470 is what is being sold now.

How does that work on AHIII?

Suggestions  and wisdom welcome! :)
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2016, 05:28:00 PM »
I have a Radeon R9 280X and I can play AHIII at default graphic settings, 1920x1080 and get a solid 59 fps almost everywhere (low over towns seems to be pretty demanding).  The RX470 should be better in every respect.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-RX-470-vs-Radeon-R9-280X
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2016, 10:42:35 PM »
Actually connected online and was able to get into a fight. FPS was 17-27 or so which is hopeful if I can get the graphics card worked out.

I'm trying to figure out how much card I can get before the CPU becomes the bottleneck. The machine has a 750watt power supply so power should not be a problem.

Notice that Newegg has a Radeon R7 250X that is cheap but I'm not sure how it runs AHIII. Anyone using it?

Thanks!
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2016, 01:57:02 AM »
Rapier, one thing for recommending Nvidia over AMD is that they're currently making more powerful cards with less power consumption. That also makes them more suitable for older systems without having to get a new power supply.

The best AMD cards should run AH3 very well, though.

For getting somewhat of an idea, the Passmark GPU benchmark is quite a comprehensive tool: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

As for the R7 250X, there's both DDR3 and GDDR5 versions available.  For some reasons the X-version doesn't show on the chart, but here's how it compares to mine: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R7-250X-vs-Radeon-HD-6970. The R7 260X can be found on the Passmark list, but not too high. Based on my own card and what HiTech uses in his development system I'd say that a score of 3000 points is somewhat of a baseline for enjoyable playing. Notice that the Nvidia GTX950 mentioned as a reference at GPUboss beats both at Passmark still being roughly in the same price category. Also see this comparison: http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=2454&gid2=2414&compare=geforce-gtx-950-ti-2gb-vs-radeon-r7-250-2gb

Need I say I'd think twice?
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2016, 02:18:14 AM »
Thanks Bizman! I really appreciate the info and advice!

So thinking twice and looking through your links, I'm looking at the Radeon R9 390 (working my way up the card stack :)) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127874 which has the right ports that I would need to set up the multi monitors.

My power supply is 750 watts so I seem ok there. The slot is PCI-E 2.0 x16 so the card fits but it seems the consideration would be that the card is faster than the computer is and so some capacity would be wasted. All the info I can find seems to indicate that it is a 2.0 slot with a 3.0 card. The card fits but can't use all its capacity.

I don't really care about the waste as long as the game runs fine but would definitely appreciate you opinion. And since I'm already using a 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot, why not go whole hog to a R9 490? Or is that just wasting dollars for capacity that can't be touched?

Thanks!
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Re: Getting on the update train
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2016, 07:35:51 AM »
I wouldn't worry about the PCI-E slot number either. They're compatible and you'd get a performance boost of a significant level. You can spend an infinite sum of money honing tiny little fractions of FPS if you want to but if your goal is to get a solid playable frame rate there's no need to overreact. The R9 390 should perform very well on a single monitor, however I don't know how well it would do on a triple system. Pudgie might know...

One thing I noticed in your DXdiag output is this:   Current Mode: 5040 x 1050 (32 bit) (25Hz). That means that you won't get more than 25 FPS no matter how powerful your video card is unless that is limited by your video card. I'd sort that out before buying anything.
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