Planes flipping during agressive defensive moves

[LCADolby]

I thought they were cable pulling 

[DREDIOCK]

So essentially the player stalled the aircraft out, it torque flips over to the left, and he keeps accelerated stalling it.  The issue really is with the coding....the Energy bleed of an aircraft no longer flying streamlined through the air is pretty damn high, not to mention the spike in induced drag as  he hangs in the stall regime.  So when an airplane with a big ole motor like that stalls, it should end up either nose low (gravity kicking in), or start spinning. Regardless the guy in the aircraft will be doing spin prevent or dive recovery vs BFM.

Cept he isnt intentionally accelerating it.

I've been getting the same type stalls while flying the D9 doing maneuvers that used to be so routine to me over the years they became second nature. Some of them arent even particularly aggressive.
I thought it was just part of the new version and something I was going to have to learn to adjust to.

It doesnt happen to me in all planes which is why folks have been seeing me in different planes. I'm seeing what planes do what at what speeds all over again. Some planes stalls are more prominent then others

[katanaso]

Would be nice to get this under control as it makes tracking the defender very difficult.  Another player who exhibited this behaviour was under full control of his plane and shot me as I went past even though my end was showing him do this sort of thing.

I've encountered a handful of players that can do this.  They've learned to work the flight/stall model. 

It's the AH3 version of AW's "Spin Turning" 190's. 

[Hungry]

I've seen this as well in my case I thought I made hit, the plane was spinning in a 3/4 - 1/4 motion fast then slow.  I thought I took parts off but just didn't see the parts fly so I backed off.  The plane spun like this from about 5k down, when I didn't see the kill message I came back around.  It literally looked like he bounced off the deck came straight at me and face shot me.

Needless to say I logged for the night

[GScholz]

One minute in this SAAB Safir does a nice snap roll:



In the OP's video it looks like a lag glitch at 21 seconds, due to there not being enough positional updates to accurately recreate the maneuver and the interpolation logic fails. This is the reason we get the "don't move your controls so fast" warning when stick-stirring. When spinning or snap rolling the "recording" that is transmitted via the internet and recreated on the other players' screens sometimes can't keep up with the rapid changes of pitch, roll and yaw, and funny things happen.

[popeye]

Was tracking a Spit that did defensive "maneuvers" that were nothing like I've ever seen in AH before -- changing attitude so fast it was almost a blur -- and he maintained perfect control afterward.  Didn't get a film.

[Ratsy]

Back in the Alpha I noticed, in the P51B for one example, that I could induce an accelerated stall/unrecoverable spin by tightening an already tight turn.  My attempts to recover (three turns - opposite rudder) resulted in a secondary spin at low altitude.  Crash.

This was observed by a squadron mate.

I went to work on my sticks and have been subtly tuning them for the last weeks.  Successfully.

The video is similar but not the same as my experience.  Not to feed the conspiracies, the Tiffie did some things that I don't recognize as a spin recovery, though he appeared to spin after the first 'snapping' event.   

Since a snap roll is a legitimate defensive maneuver in some instances, it needs to be controlled.  This looked like stick stirring to me.

Just my opinion.

 

[Rebel28]

My, it would be nice if it was a planed Defensive Maneuver but sorry to say it is just bad flying. I have performed this 3 times so far, first was in a P-51, second was in a P-47, and the third was last night in a SpitIV. It happens by pulling a tight turn riding too long on the stall warning and going into an uncontrollable spin. Each time managed to pull out of spin by nose down opposite rudder only to be quickly shot down after.

I shall call it the ROCK MANEUVER……

[save]

Snapstalling was many times 190A's at high alt's only way of escaping lower wingloaded planes 1944 onwards.

[Chalenge]

Snapstalls are for kites, not airplanes.

[Invictus84]

Perfectly legitamate defensive manoeuvres with no more lag than with anything else. He's snap rolling to compensate for a poor roll rate is all.

Agreed, but I can also see the OPs point.  The visual representation is rather odd and jumpy, at least compared to some other sims I fly. 

I've also seen a few instances in AHIII where aircraft movement seemed odd.  These have been isolated and unfortunately occurred when I was not recording, so I have not yet reported a bug. Once I catch one I'll be sure to send it off.

I'm sure HTC will fix eventually.  AHIII is a new engine and I'm sure there are still plenty of rough edges left to iron out.   Patience is the key. 

FYI - I don't think I've ever tried to snap roll a Typhoon before.  I think I'll put that on my To Do list for the weekend.   

[nrshida]

Agreed, but I can also see the OPs point.  The visual representation is rather odd and jumpy, at least compared to some other sims I fly. 

I've also seen a few instances in AHIII where aircraft movement seemed odd.

I can't comment about the AHIII flight modelling. My understanding was there were no changes. Perhaps accidental changes. Only HTC can investigate, but I've seen this sort of thing in AHII from time to time.

not being enough positional updates to accurately recreate the maneuver and the interpolation logic fails.

Probably the best explanation for the repeated flipping weirdness.

Snapstalls are for kites, not airplanes.

[hitech]

I can't comment about the AHIII flight modelling. My understanding was there were no changes. Perhaps accidental changes. Only HTC can investigate, but I've seen this sort of thing in AHII from time to time.


Probably the best explanation for the repeated flipping weirdness.




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Don't confuse what you see the other guys do with flight modeling. Net lag and intermittentcy can do strange things.

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[nrshida]

Don't confuse what you see the other guys do with flight modeling. Net lag and intermittentcy can do strange things.

Yup I know. The flight modelling didn't change in AHIII, just something to do with the engine?

[hitech]

Yup I know. The flight modelling didn't change in AHIII, just something to do with the engine?

The ONLY flight model change (THAT INCLUDES ENGINES)  in anything was the web bug fix. I.E. there was not supposed to be infinite # of wep cycles on all planes.

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