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Variants of existing planes
« on: November 02, 2016, 06:03:08 AM »
Fill in your blanks, think however about the number of produced planes .. those rare examples should have lower priority.
B17- F
Bf109- G6AS, G14AS
Fw190- A3, A9 and remove 13mm on 30mm R2 planes
LA-5F
F6F-3
Spit- 5VD
Ju88-A1, G


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My ammo last for 6 Lancasters, or one Yak3.
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 06:17:38 AM »
109T!  :x

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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 06:49:13 AM »
Heinkel 111 H-11,H-20
Tu-2 (earlier variant)
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My ammo last for 6 Lancasters, or one Yak3.
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 09:24:59 AM »
Ju188


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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 09:47:01 AM »
you forgot the Lancaster with the belly turret
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 09:52:54 AM »
Heinkel 111 H-11,H-20
Tu-2 (earlier variant)

why would you want an earlier variant of a plane  esp a bomber..when 99.99% in my book the later versions are better-( ie )P51-D better than P51-B---109 f4 better 109 e4
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 10:33:29 AM »
A6M2-N:- The floatplane variant of the Zero, could spawn from ports and maybe PT spawns.

B-17F, B-24D and B-25J:- Useful for scenarios and from my POV lots of potential for skins.

C.200 and Curtiss Hawk 75:- Early radial variants of the C.202 and P-40.

Mosquito Mk XVIII:- Similar to Mk VI but with 57 mm cannon firing AP rounds and extra armour.

Mosquito Mk NF 30:- Four Hispanos and similar high alt engines to the Mk XVI bomber.

P-51A/Mk Ia:- Allison-engined Mustang, still pretty fast low down and RAF version had four Hispanos.

Seafire Mk III:- More power and better prop than the Mk IIc.

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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 11:12:20 AM »
I want variants to be used in scenarios, much like the Ju88a4 saw litle or no combat in BOB for example, but the JU88a1 did the fighting there.
a big fraction of the 109s in BoB where the E1 model armed only with machineguns.

why would you want an earlier variant of a plane  esp a bomber..when 99.99% in my book the later versions are better-( ie )P51-D better than P51-B---109 f4 better 109 e4
My ammo last for 6 Lancasters, or one Yak3.
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 11:16:50 AM »
Great topic.  I've been thinking about this lately.

P-40K - Basically the P-40E with an extra couple hundred horsepower engine and a tail fillet to counter the additional torque.  The ugly P-40. 1300 made and saw extensive use by US in CBI theater.

P-51B - with the birdcage canopy

P-51D-5 Early model without tail fillet

Early FW-190A

A6M2-N - the float plane version of the zero

Ki.61-1-Otsu - shorter nose, 4x12.7mm machine guns, 2 in cowl, 2 in wings.
Ki.61-1-Hei - 2x20mm German MG151 cannon in wings replacing the 2 wing MGs






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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 11:28:45 AM »
Bf109E1 BOB
P47C for 1943 scenarios
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 01:41:26 PM »
yes to these:
A6M2-N:- The floatplane variant of the Zero, could spawn from ports and maybe PT spawns.

P-51A/Mk Ia:- Allison-engined Mustang, still pretty fast low down and RAF version had four Hispanos.
Seafire Mk III:- More power and better prop than the Mk IIc.

was hoping A6M5 had a float plane version.
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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 02:42:32 PM »
was hoping A6M5 had a float plane version.

Expand your range beyond the Zero. N1K originally started life as a float plane, for example. They had some later versions that were float-based.

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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 03:06:50 PM »
The floatplane N1K was a substantially different aircraft to our N1K-2 and couldn't be done as a variant.

The Ju 188 wouldn't really work as a variant either, it would need new cockpit art for starters. The Ju 88A-5 would be easier to model than the A-1 as a BoB variant. The A-5 was essentially an A-1 but with the A-4's extended outer wing panels.

IIRC I did suggest to HTC that they add the earlier armament options to the remodelled Ki-61 as hangar loadouts, like they did with the Hurri IIA/B/C. Not sure why they didn't go for this, it would have been handy for New Guinea scenarios.

The Me-109E-1 could probably be added as a hangar loadout to the existing or a future remodelled aircraft as well.

Thought of another good variant. The F4F-3:- great for early Pacific scenarios, less guns but a lot lighter than the F4F-4.

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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2016, 03:19:19 PM »
A lot of the "variants" would be significantly different. Including Ju-188s, Bf109Ts, etc. That wasn't part of the original parameters to make them visibly be the same :P

Let's be honest, any floatplane version of any land based fighter would require a total re-do of that plane in almost every aspect of flight, performance, handling, and damage modeling.

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Re: Variants of existing planes
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 03:40:39 PM »
The 109E variant which is really needed is the -7.

- DB601N engine (same as the 109F)
- ability to carry drop tanks
- Quintessential Emil of North Africa and Russia.

Of course, the 109E needs a general update as well. The external shape is more similar to AH1 standard than 2.
 
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