Author Topic: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"  (Read 3416 times)

Offline Devil 505

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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2016, 11:59:20 AM »
It's in development, just not sure when it will be ready.
Hopefully with white cliffs in Dover.  :aok
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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 02:19:07 AM »
Sounds really interesting but as a bomber pilot you're going to have to throw something in there for people like me to fly otherwise I'll have to sit it out. Maybe some B25s? :D
Like the general idea, however is this a problem above.  To my mind, you need a strategic incentive for the Luftwaffe to try to come up for the bombers.  I don't think just saying in the rules, x number of fighters must try to engage x number of bombers.  I'm thinking to make the situation urgent to the Luftwaffe, you might have to award very significant points for any objects destroyed and/or the same for buffs who RTB and land safely.  This would have to be game changer level of points to create the ferocity of intent needed on both sides.
Still it's a good idea for terrific fights.
And one more point though.  What's the minimum number of players needed to make this work and representation?  We certainly don't have 4 wings of spits plus buffs available to us.
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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2016, 07:04:10 AM »
Like the general idea, however is this a problem above.  To my mind, you need a strategic incentive for the Luftwaffe to try to come up for the bombers.  I don't think just saying in the rules, x number of fighters must try to engage x number of bombers.  I'm thinking to make the situation urgent to the Luftwaffe, you might have to award very significant points for any objects destroyed and/or the same for buffs who RTB and land safely.  This would have to be game changer level of points to create the ferocity of intent needed on both sides.
Still it's a good idea for terrific fights.
And one more point though.  What's the minimum number of players needed to make this work and representation?  We certainly don't have 4 wings of spits plus buffs available to us.

To be honest the way I read it making the bombers worth anything and making anything they hit would detract from the event IMO. As said in previous posts they were bait, nothing more. If this event were to happen I would volunteer to fly bombers just for the atmosphere of the event, to say "Hey there's our bait". IMO nothing I do would be counted but it would be awesome to sit there and be "technically" escorted but dozens of Allied fighters.

I stopped caring about points and who wins long ago, I fly these events for fun and comradery with other players, and when I read this setup I envision myself sitting there in some Mitchell I's looking up and seeing a massive wing of Spits going "Wow that is awesome".  :)

Granted I'm not trying to inject my own vision into this, it's just I don't like flying fighters and I want to find someway I could participate even if it's just some abstract thing to give flavor to the event.

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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2016, 08:08:27 AM »
I would not participate in this event.

To short-change bomber pilots, with the premise stated, would absolutely detract from the event overall.

Each and every event is set up for the community, not for a single segment.

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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2016, 10:19:57 AM »
I would not participate in this event.

To short-change bomber pilots, with the premise stated, would absolutely detract from the event overall.

Each and every SCENARIO is set up for the community, not for a single segment.
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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2016, 08:45:22 PM »
I would not participate in this event.

To short-change bomber pilots, with the premise stated, would absolutely detract from the event overall.

Each and every event is set up for the community, not for a single segment.

And that's the no win SIM.  I was looking at it from a chance to see if history might repeat it self.  I thought throwing a few bombers in as bait, as was the practice, would be 'short changing' the bombers guys.  Damned if you do and damned if you don't :)

Since as I said, I'm not on the scenario team, this was just me throwing the idea out there due to my interest in the time frame and the intensity of the air combat.  Throw in the smaller numbers we've had in scenarios and I thought the smaller area of action on the map with the short range of the fighters on both sides, would help concentrate the action so that folks wouldn't be bored.  I have no objections to bombers.  I just didn't imagine that bomber guys liked being nothing more than bait.  I've seen too many scenarios where after frame I and the bombers get wiped out, no one returns.
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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2016, 10:19:46 PM »
And that's the no win SIM.  I was looking at it from a chance to see if history might repeat it self.  I thought throwing a few bombers in as bait, as was the practice, would be 'short changing' the bombers guys.  Damned if you do and damned if you don't :)

Since as I said, I'm not on the scenario team, this was just me throwing the idea out there due to my interest in the time frame and the intensity of the air combat.  Throw in the smaller numbers we've had in scenarios and I thought the smaller area of action on the map with the short range of the fighters on both sides, would help concentrate the action so that folks wouldn't be bored.  I have no objections to bombers.  I just didn't imagine that bomber guys liked being nothing more than bait.  I've seen too many scenarios where after frame I and the bombers get wiped out, no one returns.

The key here is the intent of the bomber usage. Ok, so the bombers were bait as far as RAF high command was concerned but I guarantee that the Bomber Command was told that the destruction of the provided targets was vital to the war effort and so on. Likewise, preventing the bomber raids was vital as far as "The Fat One" was concerned. Therefore, the only way to truly replicate the conditions in a scenario is to make the the bombers vital to the success or failure of each side.

A pure fighter only scenario would become pretty stale I think.
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Re: Throwing it out thier "Fighter Pilot's Summer-The Nonsense Campaign"
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2016, 12:50:25 AM »
I like it but I agree with Slo; the bombers involved need significance for it to work as intended.
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