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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #150 on: January 05, 2017, 01:50:45 AM »
Kinda funny how everyone is blaming the holster more then the shooter and the gun itself.

I Love 1911's dont get me wrong. I believe they are the most perfect ergonomic design ever created...but. But they are a 100+ year old system that was never really safe for locked and cocked every day carry anyways. I have never carried one locked and cocked off the range and never will. Anybody, with any holster design, can pull a gun out with their finger on the trigger if they arent paying attention and/or havnt dry fired the move into muscle memory. Thats what it really comes down to, its keeping your finger off the damn trigger.

I dont know ole Tex but he kinda comes off as another Internet blow hard expert and from what I can tell the only qualification he has is he owns a video camera and wanted to be a cop once. Well I was one for 33 years and that itself isnt much of a qualification let alone "wanting to be one". So you can go to 0.49 of this video and watch Tex and what he did.

So what did Tex do? First off he did what I call a "push off drill" in that he's practicing what he'd do if a bad guy was right in his face trying to rob him and he's going to push the guy off and then slay the evil do'er with his 1911. The idea is to create distance from the threat and use movement to make yourself harder for the BG to hit while shooting from the hip. Unfortunately he didnt create distance and seemed more concerned with his time then with his technique.

He had the holster to far back and the system was to loose on him, cause he's fat, and he starts fighting the holster because he's not used to it. When I started with a BH Sherpa I had the same problem with drawing before releasing and it took practice before i got smooth with it. I also made it the ONLY type of holster I'd use for strong side duty carry and the only holster I'd practice with when shooting my duty gun, a Glock 19.

I dont believe him when he says he forgot what holster he had on. This is a very typical mistake made with BH Sherpa holsters with shooters who dont practice with them. Or, spend their time practicing with other types of holsters.

And carrying a 1911, with this kind of holster, during this kind of drill, with the entire thing being so loose "cause he's fat", is just one big formula for a fail. Ive seen to many instances of this kind of thing with 1911s with every kind of holster made for them. Shooters dont dry fire practice with them, they click off the safety's to early, they dont put the safetys back on, they put their fingers on the triggers, they do all kind of sloppy stuff cause the 1911 mechanism is like nothing else out there. Thats why they are now making stryker fire guns with an additional 1911 type safety.

Because the 1911 is still a God every shooter or wannabe shooter must bow to. All these big names , like Vickers, have their brand associated with 1911 makers/semi custom guns. So naturally they all want to blame the holster and not the gun. Vickers is tied in with Wilson combat and their 1911's. And naturally these guys are going to ban the BH Sherpas from their class's and not the 106 yo handgun design everyone is still making a lot of money on.

How DARE you besmirch our ballistic lord and savior  -John Moses Browning's-  holiest of handgun creations!!!  :old:

AWAY WITH YOU BLASPHEMER!!!









But seriously nobody is absolving the shooter of responsibility...   just pointing out that fact is everyone makes mistakes (people who say they never have/never will are either a liar or too stupid to realize their mistakes) and the Serpa holster is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs with a thumb lock vs a trigger finger lock.  Just like as you point out the 1911 is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs.  Did you watch the video I linked from the MAC?  I pretty much agree with his assessment.   Not that I care, I've never used a OWB holster in my life, only one I own is because it came with the gun.


Vickers is a sellout in my book now anyway.  I lost a lot of respect for him with the whole Fireclean fiasco.  If you're not familiar with the Fireclean fiasco it's worth looking into if you interested in a case study of the gullibility of people, and a genius 'repackage and sell with a 1000% mark up'  scam.   Just google 'fireclean crisco' or something like that.


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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #151 on: January 05, 2017, 06:28:39 AM »
With the number of guns out there, and people carrying/shooting them, it amazes me that people don't shoot themselves more often.

Yeah. Tex Grebner was a Youtube blowhard, was playin quick draw and shot himself. But I try not to heap too much crap on anyone, because fate has a way of throwin it back in your face. Just ask Tex!

Case in point about, "experience and training", another Youtube vid. Of a cop, in a classroom, full of kids, giving a lecture about drugs and guns. Whips out his Glock .40, and with the immortal words, "I am the only one in this room, with enough experience, to handle a Glock Fohty!". Then proceeds to pop a round right into the floor! :rolleyes:

Negligent discharges happen, doesn't seem to matter what kind of pistol, or person.
I agree, that self discipline is the only REAL prevention.

 :salute God Bless and stay safe!

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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #152 on: January 05, 2017, 07:44:21 AM »
it wasn't just the floor he shot through.

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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #153 on: January 05, 2017, 08:34:56 AM »
it wasn't just the floor he shot through.

Yep, that's the one.
Oh, I hadn't watched that one in a while. I miss quoted.
"Professional Enough to Carry", :eek: that's even worse!

After the incident, he says "It's an empty weapon" again.
And a kid replies, "It is now". Sorry, but that made me chuckle a bit! :angel:

Woah, and he was gimping when he left too.
Nice catch, didn't notice that before.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #154 on: January 05, 2017, 10:32:05 AM »
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #155 on: January 05, 2017, 11:58:41 AM »
Lol oh I love the 1911. I just wont carry it for self defense. Now Im no Internet expert but Ive been shooting handguns since I was 8yo, been an MP for 4 years, a cop for 33, a competitive shooter, and just a few trophys hidden away cause they dont mean much anyways. In other words Im in the middle skill-wise and above the middle experience-wise and I really feel the 1911 action, on its own, is unsafe to carry locked and cocked in any holster. The guys I know who carry them carry a mix of pistols and not just the 1911 and thats a bad formula to bring to a gunfight. Same with holsters.

Same with Glocks. Take em for granted and you will make a fool out of yourself with them which is why I strictly carry the Glock and Glock action. To be honest I dont agree with the assessment. Finger? Long finger? knuckle joint? Just practice with the dang thing and like any retention holster save it in your muscle memory. Guys like me that blame 1911 actions are like vampires in gun circles, tho I'd agree mixing the 1911 with that holster IS bad.

But truly these things come down to two things. Shooters trying to beat the clock or shooters trying to impress. The guy who shot himself with the 1911 did both, the DEA agent did the last, while running his mouth ahead of his brain and putting kids at risk. Its at a point where I dont even tell anyone im a cop at shooting events, "well Im not one anymore".

I never heard of fire clean, LMAO. I was kind of out of the sport back then for a few. Theres all kinds of snake oil and scams going on in that Industry. Some people think just cause someone was on an elite team they walk on water.

Sorry but Ive heard to many war stories and BS which is why now I pretty much shoot alone.  :salute


How DARE you besmirch our ballistic lord and savior  -John Moses Browning's-  holiest of handgun creations!!!  :old:

AWAY WITH YOU BLASPHEMER!!!









But seriously nobody is absolving the shooter of responsibility...   just pointing out that fact is everyone makes mistakes (people who say they never have/never will are either a liar or too stupid to realize their mistakes) and the Serpa holster is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs with a thumb lock vs a trigger finger lock.  Just like as you point out the 1911 is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs.  Did you watch the video I linked from the MAC?  I pretty much agree with his assessment.   Not that I care, I've never used a OWB holster in my life, only one I own is because it came with the gun.


Vickers is a sellout in my book now anyway.  I lost a lot of respect for him with the whole Fireclean fiasco.  If you're not familiar with the Fireclean fiasco it's worth looking into if you interested in a case study of the gullibility of people, and a genius 'repackage and sell with a 1000% mark up'  scam.   Just google 'fireclean crisco' or something like that.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #156 on: January 05, 2017, 12:17:43 PM »
The bits here about Vickers being tied to just the 1911 aren't very accurate anymore.  You guys realize that he sells more custom Vickers Glocks than anything else, right?  He also has his fingers in custom Berettas, and helped designed the HK45 pistol as well.  If you take the time to listen to what he says, and read what he's written, he's said numerous times the 1911 is a great pistol, written books about it/etc, but as an effective combat sidearm, there are many better options out there now.  Vickers years ago could be accused of being "tied" to the 1911, but it's not the case anymore, and hasn't been for years.  Well, perhaps he still is since there is a custom Vickers 1911 model(s) for sale, but there are far, FAR more Vickers custom models and parts  for Glocks, Berettas, and the HK45 out there now.



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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #157 on: January 05, 2017, 01:08:45 PM »
Had a Kimber compact .45

Now carry a full size Ruger SR .45 if you have not tried one I recommend it.

lol used to carry a single action .45 LC Modded Vaquero :)

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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #158 on: January 05, 2017, 02:04:07 PM »
Rabbit - I have a pair of Ruger Vaqs in .357 I shoot my 38 reloads from.  14 years old now, still work great, Ruger makes some stuff I'll always have, 10/22, 3 screw .22 revolvers, Vaqs, etc.

The new CZ P10C will give the G19 a run for its money.  CZ took all the best features of all the popular striker fired pistols and put them into one pistol - low bore axis of the Arsenal Strike One, the grip/angle of the M&P, Glock (custom Glock, but Glock nonetheless) ergos, the Walther PPQ like trigger (4lbs factory, shortest reset of any pistol Guns/Ammo and others have tested out of the box, etc), and so on.  It'll be compatible with previous CZ magazines and vice versa as well, with a little change.  And it's going to be cheap, $400ish street price is anticipated. 

I can't get one here in Canada, the bbl is too short to import it until some aftermarket 106mm+ barrels comes out, or once the full size P10 comes out.  Everyone I've heard from that's shot one so far though says it'll be the first true G19 competitor out there for the money.  Heard that before, but this time it may be accurate.

Also, what Rich46yo mentioned about tier 1/etc type instructors, I agree with this.  Rich has a very hard to find, and accurate IMO, opinion about pistols especially, being l/e in the city with the most pistol shootings on the continent, he's seen what most of us just hear about second hand.  So, when he speaks, I listen, and in almost every case agree with what's said.  About the "super tac" instructors, I've trained with and worked with at Sig Sauer, some of the more famous and storied firearms teachers out there.  I've also been taught and trained with many who were just as good, even a few better, who had absolutely no military experience at all - Ben Kurata from Sig Sauer, and some others, just regular VERY quiet guys, who would be the ones I picked first if I knew I was walking into a gun fight.  You can learn from just about anyone, lots of competent instructors out there, and many different tools you can either pick up and put in your own box, or discard.  Even between the top 10 guys out there in terms of "fame" and size, they themselves all have dissimilar skillsets and opinions,  what one guy likes, another won't even let you do in his course, etc.  Some guys swear by the c-clamp grip, others have all kinds of proof showing why they think it sucks.  Some will teach you to always carry your rifle/carbine muzzle up, others think that's ridiculous, and think that muzzle down is just as applicable especially indoors or in vehicles/helicopters.  IMO these days it's very easy to identify the wannabe/youtube sensations, and avoid them.  18 years ago when I started working in the firearms business, there was only a handful of good reputable schools, certainly no more than a dozen that were spun up and switched on.  There are hundreds now, dozens and dozens of places that aren't a waste of time or money. 

Lots of variety out there, what's important is to be humble, keep your ears open and mouth closed, and just decide on your own after trying it "their" way, afterwards, if it works for you or not - for everything from training to gear to weapons to ammo.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #159 on: January 05, 2017, 02:49:54 PM »
Most people who shoot handguns would laugh at someone who, with a safe and empty handgun, would dry fire in his basement for hours a week. Even if they didnt laugh they wouldnt think it important to becoming a good shooter.

But NOTHING is more important to becoming a good and safe shooter then dry fire practice, retention practice, reload practice, grip mechanics practice...and on and on. From what I can see on this video this Tex guy has pretty poor all around mechanics. I know he's pretending its a surprise stick up but nobody should get in your zone that closely without your being ready and at least have your stance and balance right. I bet he never dry fires and certainly never that combo of weapon/holster.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #160 on: January 05, 2017, 02:51:54 PM »
A friend just bought the exact same gun. They are making beautiful reproductions and Im totally impressed.


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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #161 on: January 05, 2017, 06:48:10 PM »
If I am ever in a situation where I must shoot someone I want to be practiced ready but I also want it to be very calculated and not reflexive.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #162 on: January 05, 2017, 07:41:54 PM »
Just got my P938 Scorpion!!  :x

Looks like this:



it'll be the carry replacement for the Ruger LCP with it's really horrible trigger. 

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Re: Any CCW people here?
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« Reply #164 on: January 05, 2017, 08:19:06 PM »
Gman regarding the Serpa, and shooting nowdays in general, it seems everyone is shooting against the shot timer so they can brag about their times. Go to a shooting school and thats all they have you doing, shooting against the clock.

Thats all fine and good, a fun sport, but if your going to do it then do it with a non retention competition holster and stop pretending your Wyatt Earp cause your so "fast". This entire type of shooting is kinda set up to fail because you have made the conscious decision to shoot before you even pulled from the holster and in an actual self defense situation that happens very rarely.

Thats why when I practice with a Serpa I practice with keeping my finger off the trigger until the sight plane is on the target and I decide to shoot. When I shoot against the time I use a competition holster and shoot for laughs.
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