Any CCW people here?

[saggs]

Just to add a point to the holster discussion.

One brand I've not seen mentioned, that I'm a big fan of is White Hat Holsters.  Their Maxtuck is of the standard leather back and kydex shell variety, but White Hat has far more choices for type of leather and kydex colors and patterns then anyone else, makes them very customizable.  They will even do custom graphics on the kydex if you want.  I've got a Maxtuck in horsehide with shells for my XDm and 1911.

I'm about to order another White Hat of the single clip variety (Maxclip) since I cannot carry at work (TSA secured area) but often carry if I'm going shopping or whatever after work, and the single clip is easier to slip on and off.  I just can't decide which leather and kydex pattern I want.  I'm leaning towards this:



but like this too:

[Ripsnort]

Why you shouldn't use Kydex (except during a competition shoot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ

[Ripsnort]

On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5"
This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.

This won't be a CCW  (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)

I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.

[AKIron]

You just need a Doc Holiday jacket Rip. 

[Shuffler]

On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5"
This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.

This won't be a CCW  (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)

I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.

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Beautiful.

[Gman]

Ripsnort, that was a paddle holster, a standard belt loop kydex holster can't be stripped by that technique when properly defended.   Also, the guy wearing the pistol was using improper, as in NO retention techniques.  When you need to defend against someone trying to snatch your weapon from an outside the waistband holster on your belt, you grab  underneath the bottom of the holster with your fingers, and pull it out, like a submarine's dive planes extending out, so that the top of the weapon is dug into your body, and the muzzle pointed in as close to a horizontal plane to your side/3 oclock as possible.  Pivoting/spinning the weapon side of your body away from the threat is easy at that point, as there is no way for a threat to pull the pistol out, as it'd have to go through your body to get out of the holster when it's pulled out and up in this manner.   This is the best retention technique and it works with any type of belt holster, and will work with paddles as well, just not as well, as they are much less secure. 

There are other retention methods, but this one is the fastest, simplest, and in most cases best IMO, and works with most open carry belt holsters of any retention level, drop holsters as well.  CCW/IWB holsters is a different deal.

[OldNitro]

I have an IMI Zahal Z1360 Paddle style Roto Holster, with the button release. (for Taurus PT845 pistol) After watching that video of the paddle being broken off at the beltline, I had to do some testing.

Had my son do the same thing. He really wrenched the snot out of it, no way it would break off. Twisted a little, but that's all.

Blackhawk must be using some chitty polymer!

[Rich46yo]

On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5"
This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.

This won't be a CCW  (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)

I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.

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Very nice. I thought my Vaquero's blueing was nice but I like yours better.

[saggs]

Blackhawk must be using some chitty polymer!

Well after the infamous Tex Grebner "I just ******* shot myself" incident (watch this video if your interested) and several other similar ones.  There have been several of the big name training places (Gunsite, Vickers, FLETC) that no longer allow students to use Blackhawk Serpas.  Not a polymer issue, just a poor design that makes it easy to shoot yourself when the adrenaline is pumping.

[OldNitro]

Well after the infamous Tex Grebner "I just ******* shot myself" incident (watch this video if your interested) and several other similar ones.  There have been several of the big name training places (Gunsite, Vickers, FLETC) that no longer allow students to use Blackhawk Serpas.  Not a polymer issue, just a poor design that makes it easy to shoot yourself when the adrenaline is pumping.

I remember that Tex Grebner vid, saw it when it first appeared, got lots of attn. People have been shooting themselves, playin quick draw, since the old west. I guess gun designs change, holsters change with them, but some behaviors don't!

Being as the holster material snapped off at the beltline, I'd say the polymer is too brittle. By my thinking, the polymer should twist or deform some, but not snap off, as mine didn't. The Serpa material is so thin and so stiff that I guess it shouldn't really be a surprise. Whereas mine, being made a bit thicker and more flexible, after being twisted and bent, settled back into shape on it's own after a short time. A feature I definitely like about some polymers! When formulated correctly poly can be damn close to indestructible. In this application, it definitely shouldn't snap off!

Even tho they were all the rage for a while, I never cared for the Serpa personally. I rather something with a little more substance to it. Guess I saved myself some trouble by not following that particular "Tactifad".

[KCDitto]

I would think when you felt the tug at your waist, a quick ELBOW to the brain pan of the would be attack would end that real fast...

[Ripsnort]

You just need a Doc Holiday jacket Rip. 

LOL! No Broke Back Brian here, buddy!

Beautiful.

Thank you.

Very nice. I thought my Vaquero's blueing was nice but I like yours better.

Thank you.

This revolver is NIB so the bluing should be nice and shiny.
I have a "No Safe Queen" policy. Should be fun at the range!
It will be my 2nd "Revolver". (First being a S&W Model 66 in .357 magnum)
It arrives at my FFL on Wed from Texas.

[Ripsnort]

Ripsnort, that was a paddle holster, a standard belt loop kydex holster can't be stripped by that technique when properly defended.   Also, the guy wearing the pistol was using improper, as in NO retention techniques.  When you need to defend against someone trying to snatch your weapon from an outside the waistband holster on your belt, you grab  underneath the bottom of the holster with your fingers, and pull it out, like a submarine's dive planes extending out, so that the top of the weapon is dug into your body, and the muzzle pointed in as close to a horizontal plane to your side/3 oclock as possible.  Pivoting/spinning the weapon side of your body away from the threat is easy at that point, as there is no way for a threat to pull the pistol out, as it'd have to go through your body to get out of the holster when it's pulled out and up in this manner.   This is the best retention technique and it works with any type of belt holster, and will work with paddles as well, just not as well, as they are much less secure. 

There are other retention methods, but this one is the fastest, simplest, and in most cases best IMO, and works with most open carry belt holsters of any retention level, drop holsters as well.  CCW/IWB holsters is a different deal.

Noted! And thanks!

[mbailey]

You just need a Doc Holiday jacket Rip. 

An ancestor of mine   

On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5"
This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.

This won't be a CCW  (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)

I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.

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Very nice!!  Im thinking about getting a matching pair of Colt SAs.....but with twins / college right around the corner, may have to wait a little bit.

[Rich46yo]

Kinda funny how everyone is blaming the holster more then the shooter and the gun itself.

I Love 1911's dont get me wrong. I believe they are the most perfect ergonomic design ever created...but. But they are a 100+ year old system that was never really safe for locked and cocked every day carry anyways. I have never carried one locked and cocked off the range and never will. Anybody, with any holster design, can pull a gun out with their finger on the trigger if they arent paying attention and/or havnt dry fired the move into muscle memory. Thats what it really comes down to, its keeping your finger off the damn trigger.

I dont know ole Tex but he kinda comes off as another Internet blow hard expert and from what I can tell the only qualification he has is he owns a video camera and wanted to be a cop once. Well I was one for 33 years and that itself isnt much of a qualification let alone "wanting to be one". So you can go to 0.49 of this video and watch Tex and what he did.

So what did Tex do? First off he did what I call a "push off drill" in that he's practicing what he'd do if a bad guy was right in his face trying to rob him and he's going to push the guy off and then slay the evil do'er with his 1911. The idea is to create distance from the threat and use movement to make yourself harder for the BG to hit while shooting from the hip. Unfortunately he didnt create distance and seemed more concerned with his time then with his technique.

He had the holster to far back and the system was to loose on him, cause he's fat, and he starts fighting the holster because he's not used to it. When I started with a BH Sherpa I had the same problem with drawing before releasing and it took practice before i got smooth with it. I also made it the ONLY type of holster I'd use for strong side duty carry and the only holster I'd practice with when shooting my duty gun, a Glock 19.

I dont believe him when he says he forgot what holster he had on. This is a very typical mistake made with BH Sherpa holsters with shooters who dont practice with them. Or, spend their time practicing with other types of holsters.

And carrying a 1911, with this kind of holster, during this kind of drill, with the entire thing being so loose "cause he's fat", is just one big formula for a fail. Ive seen to many instances of this kind of thing with 1911s with every kind of holster made for them. Shooters dont dry fire practice with them, they click off the safety's to early, they dont put the safetys back on, they put their fingers on the triggers, they do all kind of sloppy stuff cause the 1911 mechanism is like nothing else out there. Thats why they are now making stryker fire guns with an additional 1911 type safety.

Because the 1911 is still a God every shooter or wannabe shooter must bow to. All these big names , like Vickers, have their brand associated with 1911 makers/semi custom guns. So naturally they all want to blame the holster and not the gun. Vickers is tied in with Wilson combat and their 1911's. And naturally these guys are going to ban the BH Sherpas from their class's and not the 106 yo handgun design everyone is still making a lot of money on.