Learned something that wrinkled my brain.

[Ramesis]

The use of technology precedes humanity itself.

Of course... its been well established that even Dinosaurs had
technology (depending on ur definition)
Example, they had nests... ie technology 
Oh and btw... if one has ever seen a CT or MRI of the
human brain... it is wrinkled and convoluted 

[PR3D4TOR]

I was more thinking about fire, weapons and tools. 

[FLOOB]

Fire is probably why the human's brain grew bigger and his gut became shorter and his jaw weaker.

[Zimme83]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beno%C3%AEt_Lecomte

e was accompanied by a crew of three aboard the sail boat, where he could rest and eat in-between each swimming period

Unlike a Polar bear, that can swim for days in freezing water without a boat to rest on...

[morfiend]

Fire is probably why the human's brain grew bigger and his gut became shorter and his jaw weaker.

 Hmm I always thought it was brought about by the consumption of certain types of mushrooms.... IE eat a shroom see your god!....

  Could be wrong though....


  As for dogs,well the school is still out, certain people claim there are 2 distinct "types" of dog and both types have been selectively bred for purpose and for looks. The large Mollosor breeds are said to be from a different descendant than all other breeds/types. These Mollosors are large dogs,the ancient wardogs,not the roman type but before that were up to 42 inches at the whithers and weighed well over 200lbs. The Mollosian Hounds were said to take a man and horse down!

 These types are certainly much different from spitz,terriers and most herding breeds. DNA testing is inconclusive as there are almost no true Mollosors breeds today,most have had influx of other types. I doubt we will ever know the real answer!


   

[PR3D4TOR]

These types are certainly much different from spitz,terriers and most herding breeds. DNA testing is inconclusive as there are almost no true Mollosors breeds today,most have had influx of other types. I doubt we will ever know the real answer!


   

Well, if they could breed with other dogs, then they can't have been that much different genetically.

[morfiend]

Well, if they could breed with other dogs, then they can't have been that much different genetically.

  I suppose but then the coyote,red and grey wolves plus dogs can all breed and have pups that can propagate. You would have to look at the canine line before then one you showed started.

  I'm not certain on all of this,I have read extensively about the subject and as I said there are at least 2 schools of thought on it.

  I am certain that the dog came after tools/fire,we likely killed a wolf and later found the pups,and all babies are cute and instinct took over and man cared for them. The big difference between a dog and a wolf??? point... a dog will look where you point a wolf will look at you! Dogs are bilingual,wolves are not!



   

[PR3D4TOR]

Not all dogs and not all the time in all situations. Some wolves can learn to do this as well if they are raised in a human-only environment. No surprise since that's the origin species we started breeding dogs from. Coywolfs are special since the coyote and wolf had a common ancestor and split off relatively recently, only a few thousand years ago. Same with coydogs since dogs are closely related to wolves. So your Mollosian Hound must have been bred from this close family of animals.

[morfiend]

 The speculation is they came from a bear-dog linage,now this is not my idea nor even my belief but it is what it is.

 The Mollosors come in 2 distinct types also,they had a herder and a chain dog,the chain dogs were the types used in war the herders protected the flocks from predators,both man and beast. There are several modern Mollosor breeds,all the mastifs and their like came from these dogs,but the DNA has been diluted with the non-mollosor types.


  Pitbulls are a modern cross of terrier and mastif and look at all the variations of just that type.



   

[Brooke]

Only because of our technology. Without it, we'd still be prey for the wolves.

That's like saying, "Ants aren't so great.  Take away their colony structure and see what an individual ant can do.  It's can't even survive."

Humans had spears and tribes from their beginning as a species -- that's part of the human advantage.  Stone-age stuff like that is all that was needed for dominance of all those environments and the animals in them, including wolves.

[FLOOB]

We're kind of falling back on the old misconceptions. That human beings are separated from the rest of the animal kingdom by our minds, but without our brainiacal powers we are naked and weak. When in fact the human is at least as extraordinary physically as it is brainally. If you asked the most accomplished runner the question, how far can you run?, the answer he would give would be the same that we slovenly fetid giblets would give, "I don't know". We're machines among animals.

Machines.. dogs, wolves. All this talk reminds me of a song about a woman and her electric tooth brush.

[PR3D4TOR]

And we're in constant heat... An advantage when we needed to out breed competitors.

[morfiend]

And we're in constant heat... An advantage when we needed to out breed competitors.

       Aint that the truth!




   

[NatCigg]

We're kind of falling back on the old misconceptions. That human beings are separated from the rest of the animal kingdom by our minds, but without our brainiacal powers we are naked and weak. When in fact the human is at least as extraordinary physically as it is brainally. If you asked the most accomplished runner the question, how far can you run?, the answer he would give would be the same that we slovenly fetid giblets would give, "I don't know". We're machines among animals.

Machines.. dogs, wolves. All this talk reminds me of a song about a woman and her electric tooth brush.

This is only true if killing (we dont have means to kill or harvest without our brain.) and wrapping ourselves in non rotting flesh to say warm through the night was innate. If we did not take 15 years to mature.  If we did not adapt fire. If we were not able to accurately predict the future.  The machine is every living being that occupys a niche.  Every being has a non wavering desire to work and survive in every cell and the fact that it works; works by chance, nature, and thought.  That is what is amazing, life.  Humans silly attempt to think they are special is the brain working overtime.  There is more to the story, the spirit and energy through us all is almost as persistent if not more than lifes drive for energy.  Really fascinating stuff if you consider the energy was here first and made everything.

[NatCigg]

Under the correct situations this can be a part of perception.  Why does mathematics, nature and the mind have such similarities?

 

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