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Oroville dam spillway!
« on: February 12, 2017, 08:58:58 PM »
Anybody in that area? Getting mixed news what is going on.  Latest report is that area wide emergency evacuation, spillway already failed.  Pray for the safety of the people to get out if things are really that bad.


https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 12:23:34 AM »
Apparently concrete was missing from the Dam.

Is this expensive in the US concrete i mean?

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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 01:26:06 AM »
Apparently concrete was missing from the Dam.

Is this expensive in the US concrete i mean?

You mean the spillway.
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 03:22:54 AM »
I live north of Oroville. There is an evacuation order in effect for a large area south of Lake Oroville. The main spillway had a large hole appear in it's face several days ago. Water release rates were reduced while the damage was being inspected. Unfortunately it rained heavily until Friday and water started over the emergency spillway which has never been used in the 48 years the dam has been in service. Saturday they noticed that the top of the emergency spillway was being eroded. They then increased flow out of the main spillway to take the stress off of the emergency spillway. Last I heard water was no longer going over the emergency spillway but they are concerned that a 30 foot tall section at the top of the emergency spillway may give way leading to massive flooding down stream. As of this moment 1:21 am pst 2/13/17 as far as I know there has been no failure.

Just an fyi; Oroville dam is an earthen dam. The missing concrete was from the face of the main spillway which according to reports is not what they are concerned with failing, it is the emergency spillway that they have said is in danger of failure.

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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 04:05:14 AM »
You mean the spillway.

In the UK we have the same problem
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 05:31:21 AM »
Doesnt sound too good, its a lot of water in that dam...
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 06:39:39 AM »
Took a look at the forecast https://www.windytv.com/overlays?rainAccu,next6d,40.103,-120.948,7 And it says 106 mm of rain in the area this week, that is definitely not going to do the situation any better... 


Edit: I also have a question: Who was the genius that came up with the bright idea to let the emergency spillway be unprotected?
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 07:19:50 AM »
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 07:42:40 AM by ghi »

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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 11:55:42 AM »
Took a look at the forecast https://www.windytv.com/overlays?rainAccu,next6d,40.103,-120.948,7 And it says 106 mm of rain in the area this week, that is definitely not going to do the situation any better... 


Edit: I also have a question: Who was the genius that came up with the bright idea to let the emergency spillway be unprotected?

Yes, we are expecting more rain starting in the middle of the week, but that isn't the only reason for the high water levels. We have a substantial snow pack in California this year (something like 175% of average) and these last few weather systems that have moved through are relatively warm and are melting the snow pack so even though it's not raining right now the rivers and streams are still all very high.

Dam operators never want to use the emergency spillway, it is a measure of last resort, The emergency spillway is just that, for emergencies. The flow out of the emergency spillway isn't controlled there are no gates to increase or decrease flow rates. The water is literally about to come over the top of the dam. The emergency spillway came into play because the operators had to decrease flows out of the main spillway to inspect the damage from the large hole that appeared in the main spillways face. Even after they resumed using the main spillway they couldn't release water fast enough to keep the water from topping the dam.

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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2017, 12:02:22 PM »
Wow,  and they did some work in 2013 right above the collapse spillway. 
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2017, 12:10:07 PM »
They got the reservoir down by 50ft this morning as I watched Ch2 news here in Oakland CA. The main spillway is running and they are monitoring the runoff area.

Five years of drought and they didn't use the time to get ready for the rains which always come back. Our drought cycle is about 4-5 on 4-5 off. And they always say it's the drought of the century and do no maintenance on the dams. Extended droughts cause earthen dams to fail when the rain comes back and this has happened before down near L.A. during a drought cycle a generation ago.
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2017, 02:06:06 PM »
They got the reservoir down by 50ft this morning as I watched Ch2 news here in Oakland CA. The main spillway is running and they are monitoring the runoff area.

Five years of drought and they didn't use the time to get ready for the rains which always come back. Our drought cycle is about 4-5 on 4-5 off. And they always say it's the drought of the century and do no maintenance on the dams. Extended droughts cause earthen dams to fail when the rain comes back and this has happened before down near L.A. during a drought cycle a generation ago.


If thing get any worst, which they will, I can see a huge state and federal investigation on this. 
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Re: Oroville dam spillway!
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 02:47:12 PM »

If thing get any worst, which they will, I can see a huge state and federal investigation on this.

They don't need to get any worse. I'm sure they'll have an investigation, and some heads will roll, but in the end nothing will really change.

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