If you consider yourself a Top Stick in the game...

[Drano]

You should come fly with us a few times. I promise you'd change this, largely false, assumption.

Some really good knife fights vs you and your guys lately, Mak. 56th guys will always fight!


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[JunkyII]

Honestly, E management isn't about staying high and fast. Just as E fighting isn't just BnZ. It's all about taking advantage of the differences in E states between opponents. You can start at an E disadvantage and use better E management to win the fight, just as you can start with the advantage and use poor E management to lose.

Granted the hog is one of the best in the rolling scissors but as Ace said don't fight it's fight. When the hog tries to draw you into a scissors that is usually the time to start going up. Same goes for when they start to dump flaps.

Don't get me wrong I love the hog, in particular the birdcage, and have been flying it in AH before we ever had the 1A. I've never considered it uber or ez mode. In fact I find the 109's to be much easier to fly successfully in an MA environment.

 
Sik

P.S. 

We (Corsair pile-its) are use to it. 

Only way I can provide proof that the Hog is easy mode is for someone to 1v1 me. Hog vs 109 in a straight set fight...Hog is going to win 8 times out of 10...unless the skill of the 109 pilot is that much more then the guy flying the hog.

Only things more easy mode when talking about a 1v1 fight is the Spits but at least in the MA the spit has a hard time getting away and can't BnZ.

Seriously Sik I want you to show me how you would not fight the Hogs fight in a 109, me personally...ACM is the same no matter what you are flying...some just make it easier to perform that ACM...which the Hog for sure does.

[FESS67]

Hey Junky I feel like I am partially to blame last night.  That last time when you came in low and 2 of us pounced on you, it was just a normal thing to do and not done that way because we were too scared, weak, drunk (actually I may have been) to fight 1 on 1, it is the MA and we just wanted your plane out of there.

However, to your point in general, I do have to agree.  There are too many now that will not actually engage in a fight, they stay fast stay safe and then pick when the enemy is engaged with another player.  I am not sure how we coax people out of that mentality.  Sure, I fly a 51 but I am more than willing to take other planes on and I suspect the way I fly the 51 puts me at a serious disadvantage most of the time

[SIK1]

Only way I can provide proof that the Hog is easy mode is for someone to 1v1 me. Hog vs 109 in a straight set fight...Hog is going to win 8 times out of 10...unless the skill of the 109 pilot is that much more then the guy flying the hog.

Only things more easy mode when talking about a 1v1 fight is the Spits but at least in the MA the spit has a hard time getting away and can't BnZ.

Seriously Sik I want you to show me how you would not fight the Hogs fight in a 109, me personally...ACM is the same no matter what you are flying...some just make it easier to perform that ACM...which the Hog for sure does.

Stop by the TA some time and I'll show you how I would fly a 109 against a hog, or how I would fly a hog against a 109. It's not the same, and in fact I approach the two fights differently.

 
Sik

[JOACH1M]

Every plane has its goods and bads.

spit 16 and ki43. These planes debunk this theory

[hgtonyvi]

spit 16 and ki43. These planes debunk this theory

i would say the bad thing about them is the damage model. One solid hit and they go down.

[Zimme83]

And the Ki-43 has plenty of weaknesses, damage tolerance is one, plus poor guns and it cannot dive.

[Max]

I never referred to me losing to a hog while flying a spit. I just said a hog will turn with a spit. Ill give it that it wont accel or climb but it doesn't really matter. Just dump the majik flapz and hit that rudder <G>

Jug FUSS! 

[Vudu15]

But see if we go the other way and fly a Brew or KI 43 that's frowned upon too

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[caldera]

spit 16 and ki43. These planes debunk this theory

I'd rather have one of those planes on my six than an F4U any day of the week.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

*cough*Brewster*Cough. Meh who cares how peeps play. Top Sticks zooming around in 1-ping-death 30mm planes, Top Sticks flying in 4 canons planes. Top Sticks only engaging when at a distinct advantage. Who cares, all in the same to me. The rest of us will put our score ego aside and enjoy the game for what it is.

Legends were made not by 'Bob landed XX kills' ... Legends were made by dogfight winners who overcame adversity.

Latrobe - Legend.
Yucca - Legend.
Greebo - Legend.
Skyyr - Not a Legend.
See what I mean here?

[Bushmills]

The F4U4 is the best dogfighter in the game....

No it isn't KI-84 is.

[DmonSlyr]

In the MA, the 109 and F4U should be flown with 2 completely different styles. The F4U is a BnZ plane that just happens to also be great at turn fighting. The 109 is a mid alt furballer type of plane that works best in quick action snap shots and deflection shots going in and out of the fight like a shark. Best way I can describe it. Both planes have clear strengths and weaknesses. The 109 can't dive faster than 425. That's a huge weakness for players who don't know other styles besides BnZ. The F4U loses speed very quickly and becomes an actual Hog If you get caught up in a fight. Its lack of acceleration and E regeneration are huge weakness that give players a very tough time to be successful if they get caught low in a furball. Much easier to escape the furball in a 109. I wouldn't say either of those planes are noob planes. They take styles that need a lot of patience to learn how to be successful and actually land kills. Setting up shots in the 109 is an important tactic and skill that takes time to learn. Most players who BnZ in the F4U don't keep their speed and end up slow in the furballs and thus get ganged and picked easier. I'd say in a 1v1, the only way a 109 could win is if it has the E on the merge and can out climb/rope on the merge. If the fight got into a rolling scissors, it's over for the 109. Realistically, both planes are a challenge to fly for newer pilots because you really have to understand the flight style of these planes. That's something most players in the MA don't really understand. There are different styles of fighting in these types of planes that can make you be more successful. Both of these planes take an understanding of these styles to really be successful in them. I fly both quite exclusively and would say they aren't easy mode planes in most cases.

[DmonSlyr]

No it isn't KI-84 is.

Nah man, the F4U4 is better in almost every way except the guns.

I'd agree the F4U4 is best dogfighter, but you still cant get slow in a big furball or you are risking getting picked pretty easily. 1v1 the f4U beats the Ki84 in turning. It can dive better, go faster, and it better at high alts. Once again though, both planes should be used with 2 completely different styles. The Ki84 should basically be flown the same way as a 109 in many respects.

[TequilaChaser]

In the MA, the 109 and F4U should be flown with 2 completely different styles. The F4U is a BnZ plane that just happens to also be great at turn fighting. The 109 is a mid alt furballer type of plane that works best in quick action snap shots and deflection shots going in and out of the fight like a shark. Best way I can describe it. Both planes have clear strengths and weaknesses. The 109 can't dive faster than 425. That's a huge weakness for players who don't know other styles besides BnZ. The F4U loses speed very quickly and becomes an actual Hog If you get caught up in a fight. Its lack of acceleration and E regeneration are huge weakness that give players a very tough time to be successful if they get caught low in a furball. Much easier to escape the furball in a 109. I wouldn't say either of those planes are noob planes. They take styles that need a lot of patience to learn how to be successful and actually land kills. Setting up shots in the 109 is an important tactic and skill that takes time to learn. Most players who BnZ in the F4U don't keep their speed and end up slow in the furballs and thus get ganged and picked easier. I'd say in a 1v1, the only way a 109 could win is if it has the E on the merge and can out climb/rope on the merge. If the fight got into a rolling scissors, it's over for the 109. Realistically, both planes are a challenge to fly for newer pilots because you really have to understand the flight style of these planes. That's something most players in the MA don't really understand. There are different styles of fighting in these types of planes that can make you be more successful. Both of these planes take an understanding of these styles to really be successful in them. I fly both quite exclusively and would say they aren't easy mode planes in most cases.

Pretty Spot On Assessment, Violator

Nothing is "easy mode" with either the Bf109 series or the F4U series

 

TC