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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2017, 01:16:47 PM »
ACM is the same in all aircraft, only difference is certain ones perform the manuevers differently because of their overall performance.

Why is it that the pilots(plural) flying Yak 3 started getting out flown once I switched to a Yak3 from a G6???? G6 is capable against KI84 and K4s....2 planes many would say are top 5 fighter vs fighter.
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2017, 01:18:38 PM »
Only thing that the Brewster has that doesn't make it the most lethal fighter is top speed....that's it....it's top speed goes up 20...it's the best fighter in the games without question. The others you mentioned are yes....easy top 5.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2017, 01:26:32 PM »
I'm not a good shot but I can out fly most of the community which is why I can succeed in score....getting yourself in high percentage shot opportunities is more important then good aim IMO....Yak3 makes it easy to get in those positions

LOL!!!! Over the last 6 months or so you have been around 7% for your fighter hit percentage.

I dont have Lusche's averages handy, but it is something along the lines of 90% of the players dont reach 1%. The other 10%, half dont make it to 2%, and then there is the "elite", the top end which is were you sit.

Add to the fact that you fly the Ta152, 262, and the K4 as your main rides, rides that everyone knows you have to be careful of your firing times (no spray and pray) due to the lit, but lethal ammo load. If you flew a pony or some other plane with a big ammo load your hit percentage would be over 10 easy.

Your aim is exceptional! Compared to the rest of us lowly cartoon pilots anyway.

Like Morf says, it more about the pilot than the plane, but there are a number of planes that fall into the "easy mode" labeled group. I think the Yak3 falls into that group. 

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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2017, 01:41:33 PM »
ACM is the same in all aircraft, only difference is certain ones perform the manuevers differently because of their overall performance.

Why is it that the pilots(plural) flying Yak 3 started getting out flown once I switched to a Yak3 from a G6???? G6 is capable against KI84 and K4s....2 planes many would say are top 5 fighter vs fighter.


  First a little correction,BFM is the same ACM is how you put BFM together! BFM are the steps and ACM is the choreography!So ACM is very pilot dependent.

 Also the G6 is likely the worse of the 109's,not as fast as the G2 and doesnt turn much better than the G14,infact the G2 with gondies is almost as fast as the G6. It doesnt surprize me the Yak3 can out handle a G6 and once you had equal performance they Yak cant get away!

 Oh and I didnt mention any planes just that many have been claimed to be uber and that list has changed over the years!

  Personally I think they are mostly all the same,some just do some things better than others!

  YMMV!


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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2017, 01:44:23 PM »
Ever since AH3 came out my aim has gone to poop...that may be my percentage but that is also like 400th in aim ranking. In AH2 the difference between shooting looking through your gunsights and paging up over wasn't as much so I made every shot using tracers over the gunsight, in AH3 that's a lot harder plus I get warps every time I shoot.

The shots I take though are normally very high percentage shots where I have flown myself to a position to get them, a plane which makes it easier to get there is an easy mode plane....example Yak 3.

We can talk this it's the plane not the pilot stuff all we want....but I have plenty of examples which negate that right away....FX1 killed me in a G2 while he was flying a spit 16....I upped a Spit 16 and out flew him quite easily....what's the difference in that equation??? The plane.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2017, 01:47:30 PM »

  First a little correction,BFM is the same ACM is how you put BFM together! BFM are the steps and ACM is the choreography!So ACM is very pilot dependent.

 Also the G6 is likely the worse of the 109's,not as fast as the G2 and doesnt turn much better than the G14,infact the G2 with gondies is almost as fast as the G6. It doesnt surprize me the Yak3 can out handle a G6 and once you had equal performance they Yak cant get away!

 Oh and I didnt mention any planes just that many have been claimed to be uber and that list has changed over the years!

  Personally I think they are mostly all the same,some just do some things better than others!

  YMMV!


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That's the point though...you say it's the pilot but there is a point where the plane makes the difference.

I consider Bruv a better stick then me and if we upped a KI84 vs Spit 16 against each other whoever was in the Spit 16 is going to win...without a doubt....so I say the Spit 16 is easier then the Ki84.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2017, 02:56:49 PM »
Yak-3 is one of the best in the game.

Compiled my personal data starting from Tour 162 when the Yak-3 was introduced and compared the "kills of" and "killed by" of every fighter in the set.
Over a period of 45 months, most statistical anomalies can be ruled out and patterns can be more reliably interpreted.

Only four planes that had a higher "killed by" than "kills of" number and guess who was among them:

Plane   Kills of   Killed by

F4U-4       44        46
Me163      1           5
Tempest    23        37
Yak-3        95        98

For comparison's sake, here are the results against other popular planes:

Plane   Kills of   Killed by

109K-4      160      117
F4U-1A      269      170
Ki-84         187      106
La-7          252      139
Spit XVI     278      181



With a sample size of almost four years, the Yak-3 has proven to be far more deadly to me than anything but the Tempest.  EZ mode?  Hell yes.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2017, 05:39:46 PM »
Only thing that the Brewster has that doesn't make it the most lethal fighter is top speed....that's it....it's top speed goes up 20...it's the best fighter in the games without question.


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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2017, 06:23:56 PM »

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You should be a comedian, what you posted is comedic gold.
I've posted 3 sorties of film now landing 7 kills each sortie after someone tried to tell me the Brew wasn't easy mode...looks like I got to make a 4th....
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2017, 06:52:47 PM »
The yak 3 is a great plane minus the guns. It can accelerate quickly and hold E amazingly well. It cannot out roll a 109 with equal ability but it can gain E better than a 109, even a K4 I might say. The main issue I have with it is that it can hold a zoom climb even better than the brew (hehe). It can hold a zoom climb almost better than a spit16. I don't think it's better than an La7 or spit16. But it's comparable to a K4. The amount of damage it can take, the E climb ability, and acceleration, plus it's overall size being very small and hard to shoot. Make it a deadly plane if you can aim with the deflection shots.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2017, 07:17:15 PM »
I've posted 3 sorties of film now landing 7 kills each sortie after someone tried to tell me the Brew wasn't easy mode...looks like I got to make a 4th....

Fly it a tour and do all the stuff you normally do in a fighter and then come back...
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2017, 07:34:21 PM »
I've posted 3 sorties of film now landing 7 kills each sortie after someone tried to tell me the Brew wasn't easy mode...looks like I got to make a 4th....

I did quite a number multi kill sorties like that in the Hurricane I back in the day... did that make Hurricane an easy mode plane too?

Just odd that an easy mode plane like the Brew has such little success in the MA. Little used and mostly killed. Should attract quite a number of players and have reasonable success. Instead it's not much used and mostly killed.

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2017, 08:04:13 PM »
Yak3 better knife fighter and for upping under attackers but I feel the 9u is a better overall plane since you can catch the runners once thier wep runs out........sometimes even with thier wep on.

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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2017, 01:27:27 AM »
I did quite a number multi kill sorties like that in the Hurricane I back in the day... did that make Hurricane an easy mode plane too?

Just odd that an easy mode plane like the Brew has such little success in the MA. Little used and mostly killed. Should attract quite a number of players and have reasonable success. Instead it's not much used and mostly killed.
The Brew, much like the zekes are deadly scrap feeders. That means that they are near useless in a thin environment, but very good at flying near fast friendly planes and jump on the enemies that the friendly La7/Dora/P51 force into turning and slowing down.

A single Brewster or a zeke is not much more that a minor nuisance. You can usually go about your business with them dragging around behind you. The exception is a much higher brew that is willing to blow all its energy just to get a single kill.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2017, 03:35:11 AM »
I said it's rather simple,I'm not really turning,I'm rolling my lift vector to keep in trail with you.

How could you brah. Next you'll be telling Joach1m and Ace there's no Father Christmas. Think of the magic you're spoiling and all the twinkles in the eyes of all those aspiring AH players giving away the matrix code like this. Shameful.


Interesting discussion. I'd propose that it is a combination of plane and pilot and ACM knowledge in differently-weighted proportions. I think your opponent having the next level / division to you in terms of breadth and depth of ACM knowledge is way more decisive than having even more seat-time in a given type than the other fella. If your ACM is in the same division (not necessarily an identical level) then knowing your aircraft well becomes advantageous. Knowing it really well might allow you to exceed the conditioned 'limit' of what that plane type can do (and be the source of hilarious cheating accusations). This builds on what He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named used to say about the best pilot cannot make a plane do what it is not capable of - even if here we aren't talking simply about rope-a-doping everyone all the time  :rofl  Surely we've all now and again ran across a player bending a plane in impossible ways.

Although I agree ACM is universal, certain plane qualities favour certain groups and combinations of ACM. Look simply at the factor of energy building versus energy retention. Dictates very different responsive ACM to your opponent. I don't fly the Mosquito anything like I fly the Ki-84. Willfully blowing energy in an 84 is an option because it is a top-builder. In a Mosquito you have to make what you have count and often quickly and aggressively. Against a Yak-3 say, all he has to do to win is survive for long enough to equalize and then surpass - and he will inevitably because of the relative rates. Even a Yak-3 pilot with mediocre ACM knowledge will likely win with this method. Applies to quite a few planes in the AH set. I'd call leaning on something like that all the time easy mode.

Even 'easy mode' is a combination of plane, player and ACM imho.


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