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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2017, 05:03:51 AM »
The Yak-3 should dominate in a dogfight. That's its sole design goal. It weighs half of what a P-51 does... Half! And it is tiny and streamlined. Even compared to something like a Spit IX. Up close with the pilot in it it looks almost comical. Like a light sport plane.


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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2017, 09:25:29 AM »
Ah but among the natural born killers in AH, who have reached the apex of ACM in a cartoon plane, it IS the plane. I can fly a TBM in fighter mode, which can out turn most planes in the game nose down, and kill dweebs all day long. I don't think I'd slay JunkyII in that pig.
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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2017, 04:16:12 PM »
I did quite a number multi kill sorties like that in the Hurricane I back in the day... did that make Hurricane an easy mode plane too?

Just odd that an easy mode plane like the Brew has such little success in the MA. Little used and mostly killed. Should attract quite a number of players and have reasonable success. Instead it's not much used and mostly killed.

Remember back in the day the HurriC filled the place of the Brewster, and the HurriC was to goto base defense and get quick kills easy mode fighter? I remember when INK first played the game, he flew the HurriC and PO'd people.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2017, 06:50:35 AM »
The Yak 3 is good. But no where near the best. Idk why most complain about it. I've never had any trouble with it.
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Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2017, 08:06:30 AM »
The Yak 3 is good. But no where near the best. Idk why most complain about it. I've never had any trouble with it.
Do you consider the K4 at the top? If so you have to put the yak 3 up there....heck its flat out better then the K4.
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2017, 11:55:14 AM »
Do you consider the K4 at the top? If so you have to put the yak 3 up there....heck its flat out better then the K4.
I consider the best plane in the game to be the U4. Followed by in order spit 16, Ki84, then K4. If the Yak3 had say 240 rounds and double 20 mm guns yea sure. But the Ammo loadout is very very short handed. Granted I don't need anymore bullets for it... the majority will.
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2017, 12:55:29 PM »
I consider the best plane in the game to be the U4. Followed by in order spit 16, Ki84, then K4. If the Yak3 had say 240 rounds and double 20 mm guns yea sure. But the Ammo loadout is very very short handed. Granted I don't need anymore bullets for it... the majority will.
That argument you just gave rules out the K4 completely, it has 65 rounds of arguably the hardest to shoot cannon in the game based off it's ballistics vs other cannon rounds.
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2017, 02:21:39 PM »
I posted about this once before, and I think it holds true still. We on the forums, especially the upper 20% of us, are absolutely god awful at making assessments of the aircraft.

AKAK and JunkyII won't ever have any problems against any particular plane, because they've hit the point where they're able to fight the pilot more than the plane. By that, I mean they understand the underlying concepts of the fight, and can employ their full range of options as second nature, to such a vastly greater degree than their average opponent that there is very little he can do.

The average player, on the other hand, absolutely does not have this ability. They don't think in terms of angles and energy states, they think in terms of "oh crap, spitfires out turn me, better high tail it" or "damn that Brews got a lot of alt".

Most die before running out of fuel, so the range doesn't matter. Most die before getting any kind of chance to kill anything, so the ammunition doesn't matter. They're going to give up every shot imaginable, so no amount of armor would help, and any actual fragility doesn't matter. It has the three things that an average pilot needs the most:

Speed, and maneuverability, because for the most part the only tool in their kit is outperforming an opponent in one area of performance or another, and milking that for all its worth.

And small size, because for someone who WILL be shot at no matter what they do, being a small target is better than being able take a hit or two.


So yes, for a large portion of players, the Yak 3 is probably one of the best planes in the game.
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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2017, 04:29:44 PM »
That argument you just gave rules out the K4 completely, it has 65 rounds of arguably the hardest to shoot cannon in the game based off it's ballistics vs other cannon rounds.

No it doesn't. It just means that I think the K4 is a better plane than the yak3. Which is true. Yak 3 is no issue to me or anyone I know lol. Even when people where complaining about a Brewster being over powered I still have yet to find a problem with that plane. I've came to a conclusion.... people like to complain! 
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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2017, 04:55:19 PM »
Yak 3 is an easier plane than the K4, but that to me doesn't make it a better plane than the K4.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2017, 05:02:38 PM »
Yak 3 is an easier plane than the K4, but that to me doesn't make it a better plane than the K4.
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2017, 05:46:41 PM »
I posted about this once before, and I think it holds true still. We on the forums, especially the upper 20% of us, are absolutely god awful at making assessments of the aircraft.

AKAK and JunkyII won't ever have any problems against any particular plane, because they've hit the point where they're able to fight the pilot more than the plane. By that, I mean they understand the underlying concepts of the fight, and can employ their full range of options as second nature, to such a vastly greater degree than their average opponent that there is very little he can do.

The average player, on the other hand, absolutely does not have this ability. They don't think in terms of angles and energy states, they think in terms of "oh crap, spitfires out turn me, better high tail it" or "damn that Brews got a lot of alt".

Most die before running out of fuel, so the range doesn't matter. Most die before getting any kind of chance to kill anything, so the ammunition doesn't matter. They're going to give up every shot imaginable, so no amount of armor would help, and any actual fragility doesn't matter. It has the three things that an average pilot needs the most:

Speed, and maneuverability, because for the most part the only tool in their kit is outperforming an opponent in one area of performance or another, and milking that for all its worth.

And small size, because for someone who WILL be shot at no matter what they do, being a small target is better than being able take a hit or two.


So yes, for a large portion of players, the Yak 3 is probably one of the best planes in the game.


The plane in question paradoxically checks both those boxes.  Despite it's small size, the Yak-3 can take quite a lot more than a hit or two.
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2017, 05:53:24 PM »

The plane in question paradoxically checks both those boxes.  Despite it's small size, the Yak-3 can take quite a lot more than a hit or two.

I've seen this thrown around a lot. And I still never have any trouble shooting down a yak.
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2017, 05:59:10 PM »
I've seen this thrown around a lot. And I still never have any trouble shooting down a yak.

Aren't you one of those KOTH types that kills everything within 6k before you even get off the runway?   Us regular folks find that certain planes are much better than others.
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2017, 08:25:53 PM »
Yak 3 is an easier plane than the K4, but that to me doesn't make it a better plane than the K4.
I think what you are trying to say is that once mastered the K4 can be more deadly...which I would agree but Yak 3 is like a spit...plug and play like AH is war thunder

No it doesn't. It just means that I think the K4 is a better plane than the yak3. Which is true. Yak 3 is no issue to me or anyone I know lol. Even when people where complaining about a Brewster being over powered I still have yet to find a problem with that plane. I've came to a conclusion.... people like to complain! 
Your argument was the guns in the yak make it worse then the planes you listed...one of which was the K4 which makes that argument wrong because it's a fact that the MK108 has nearly the worst ballistics in the game(second to the howitizer in the B25H, bustr would know exactly)....which is why a lot of people don't fly the K4 or any plane with tators.

Just saying the plane is no issue to you isn't an argument either. The Yak 3 zoom climbs nearly identical to the K4, which is nearly identical to the LA7...but has a turn radios closer to a Spit...but what it has over the spit is it's ability to eat rounds better then any other planes...just search the forums for examples of them getting hit with multiple tators and loads of hispanos only to walk away like nothing happened....and it's also small making it hard to hit. The ONLY thing it doesn't have going for it is the amount of cannons which is nullified by the fact the plane outperforms much of the planeset.

If it wasn't easy to fly....why are Yak9Us hangar queens and the number of Yaks flown since the intro of the Yak3 has gone up?
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