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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2017, 12:45:18 AM »
Well I can tell none of you :rolleyes: have  ever even tried it.


Well, I can tell you :rolleyes: are wrong with this assumption

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2017, 07:26:26 AM »
I could swear the JU52 would pick up speed when you knocked off the gear in warbirds 3.

A link to the true scientific study of gear drag.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a278248.pdf

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2017, 08:49:46 AM »
I know for a fact if you leave them down in AH you get so much drag you can't get over 200 mph. But that's not the issue. Its not drag........its weight, to lighten up your plane and specifically in the front when you knock them off.  Its just funny that everyone says take a half tank of gas it will lighten your plane. Take a smaller round of ammo, it will lighten your plane. So logic leads me to believe if I drop my LG I would lighten my plane. When you drop your bombs you lighten your plane. I've dropped the LG in many a plane and could swear it turned better. Look at the size of some of those landing gears! Particularly the Mosquito. If you pick one plane to try this with try that one. I'll call Roy on Monday to get to the bottom of this.

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2017, 09:04:21 AM »
I know for a fact if you leave them down in AH you get so much drag you can't get over 200 mph. But that's not the issue. Its not drag........its weight, to lighten up your plane and specifically in the front when you knock them off.  Its just funny that everyone says take a half tank of gas it will lighten your plane. Take a smaller round of ammo, it will lighten your plane. So logic leads me to believe if I drop my LG I would lighten my plane. When you drop your bombs you lighten your plane. I've dropped the LG in many a plane and could swear it turned better. Look at the size of some of those landing gears! Particularly the Mosquito. If you pick one plane to try this with try that one. I'll call Roy on Monday to get to the bottom of this.


As said before, E6B has all the information you need. Set fuel burn to 0. Take off, note your weight. Drop a bomb - weight will decrease accordingly. Shoot off your ammo and you will see the weight will deacrease, too.
Shear off your gears and the weight will stay the same. Just the drag goes away. And for the turn rate, you can test that, too. :)
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2017, 03:08:02 PM »
I could swear the JU52 would pick up speed when you knocked off the gear in warbirds 3.

A link to the true scientific study of gear drag.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a278248.pdf

Icepick,

Reference the scientific study of gear drag:
1) Fun read!

2) They were only looking at comparative drag between Non-retracted and partially retracted gear ... (NOT fully retracted) ... they were interested in low wing mono-planes and the value of partial retraction into engine nacelles for bombers.
 
3) They also tested up to a blistering '100 MPH'   ;)

Still, fun to see a part of the aeronautic evolution.

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2017, 06:06:05 PM »
I stumbled upon the main site and found it's a treasure trove of information that is more often correct than information found most anywhere else.

Servers that end with .edu are also good for science and medicine.

This has a link to the entire story of what happened to chernobyl and is riveting reading.

http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA335076

Clicking on the link where the above takes you will open a .pdf but I leave this link so you can see the search dialog box instead of going direct to the .pdf and not seeing it.

It has everything you could possibly imagine on weapons systems.........sprint missile, hibex missile.....etc.


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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2017, 10:23:52 AM »
You would still have drag from open gear wells.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 05:12:46 PM »
 Back in days gone by the c-47 would go faster w/o both outer panels...hoping soon to come try it again.
Also, re;Puma, Sir, I believe, w/o giggling it, later used Brewsters had wire cable cutters as issue in case needed in lowering gear for landing.... cheers

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 09:37:53 PM »
Back in days gone by the c-47 would go faster w/o both outer panels...hoping soon to come try it again.
Also, re;Puma, Sir, I believe, w/o giggling it, later used Brewsters had wire cable cutters as issue in case needed in lowering gear for landing.... cheers


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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2017, 12:51:34 PM »
I have seen a total of 2 C47's in AH3, since GV are the name of the game for base-taking.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2017, 02:16:24 PM »
I have seen a total of 2 C47's in AH3, since GV are the name of the game for base-taking.


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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2017, 09:19:47 PM »
I have seen a total of 2 C47's in AH3, since GV are the name of the game for base-taking.

I've killed way more than 2 goons these last 2 tours...
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2017, 09:26:54 PM »
I've killed way more than 2 goons these last 2 tours...

They were prolly being used for resup, rather than base taking.

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2017, 09:07:07 AM »
Most goons I find are either landed or doing a long distance taxi toward a town.

I usually chute out and pistol whip them.

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2017, 11:00:02 AM »
I have seen a total of 2 C47's in AH3, since GV are the name of the game for base-taking.

Random fact:
Since AH III went live, slightly over 7,000 C-47 were killed by their enemies.
In late 2007, there were more C-47s shot down in a single tour...  :old:.


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