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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #390 on: June 04, 2017, 09:17:55 AM »
Be very careful what you wish for.  Last night Saturday  at 9PM EDST I went onto STEAM and checked on the numbers of the only two other WWII Air Combat Sims on STEAM.  WarBirds had a total of just under 50 players, IL2, did better with 80,  Aces High at that time had 151 in the main arena.  Instead of perfecting shadowing on rivets and sun sets, the authors might  have better spent their time improving the strategy of the game.  The game is 20 years old and it’s still capture the flag.  No real improvement in the road system, no improvement in the river system, no destroyable bridges,   no improvement in the type of troops, no artillery.  Most of the players that I knew that left the game were perfectly happy with AH2 but wanted to see an improvement in the game strategy.  When AH3 was forced on them,  with all the eye candy, they left
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #391 on: June 04, 2017, 09:39:44 AM »
Be very careful what you wish for.  Last night Saturday  at 9PM EDST I went onto STEAM and checked on the numbers of the only two other WWII Air Combat Sims on STEAM.  WarBirds had a total of just under 50 players, IL2, did better with 80,  Aces High at that time had 151 in the main arena.  Instead of perfecting shadowing on rivets and sun sets, the authors might  have better spent their time improving the strategy of the game.  The game is 20 years old and it’s still capture the flag.  No real improvement in the road system, no improvement in the river system, no destroyable bridges,   no improvement in the type of troops, no artillery.  Most of the players that I knew that left the game were perfectly happy with AH2 but wanted to see an improvement in the game strategy.  When AH3 was forced on them,  with all the eye candy, they left

@icth @icth @icth, everyone seems to know better than Hitech how to run his business.  :rofl :rofl
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #392 on: June 04, 2017, 10:05:30 AM »
Be very careful what you wish for.  Last night Saturday  at 9PM EDST I went onto STEAM and checked on the numbers of the only two other WWII Air Combat Sims on STEAM.  WarBirds had a total of just under 50 players, IL2, did better with 80,  Aces High at that time had 151 in the main arena.  Instead of perfecting shadowing on rivets and sun sets, the authors might  have better spent their time improving the strategy of the game.  The game is 20 years old and it’s still capture the flag.  No real improvement in the road system, no improvement in the river system, no destroyable bridges,   no improvement in the type of troops, no artillery.  Most of the players that I knew that left the game were perfectly happy with AH2 but wanted to see an improvement in the game strategy.  When AH3 was forced on them,  with all the eye candy, they left
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #393 on: June 04, 2017, 10:57:39 AM »
LOL at Hitech and crew having to have Aces High green lit!  With it's history there should be an automatic entry and some velvet red carpet rolled out for these pioneers.   

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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #394 on: June 04, 2017, 12:07:04 PM »
@icth @icth @icth, everyone seems to know better than Hitech how to run his business.  :rofl :rofl


No man is infallible, not even a business owner.     I am sure he will be the first to tell you that.   

Traveler made a perfectly reasoned post with valid points.   That doesn't strike me as telling Hitech how to run his business. 

It would be nice to see some tweaks to the gameplay.  What they should be I have no clue.  If Steam can bump the average population by a modest percentage that will be YUGE.
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #395 on: June 04, 2017, 12:14:09 PM »
@icth @icth @icth, everyone seems to know better than Hitech how to run his business.  :rofl :rofl
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #396 on: June 04, 2017, 12:57:37 PM »
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the authors might  have better spent their time improving the strategy of the game.  The game is 20 years old and it’s still capture the flag.  No real improvement in the road system, no improvement in the river system, no destroyable bridges,   no improvement in the type of troops, no artillery.  Most of the players that I knew that left the game were perfectly happy with AH2 but wanted to see an improvement in the game strategy.

BINGO!

Back in the days playing Airwarrior on GEnie we talked about that someday we would be able "War" 24/7 on a multiplayer combat simulator........

At is 2017..... If you put the old AW "BIG PAC" map up in AH, we still playing the same game.

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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #397 on: June 04, 2017, 02:20:34 PM »
CAV,

After 20+ years of constant experience with this venue, why has Hitech not been able to see a solution to interesting customers in playing a 24x7 war? When all they really want to do is shoot each other a few hours each evening and not take orders from anyone? Better yet, even in AW the customers had a tolerance for it just like here in AH of about once a week for three hours. If there were a raging demand for 24x7 war, after 15 years of being here, the Melee arena would be the 24x7 war arena.

We have AI missions, steal the sheep, real capture the flag where your plane carries a flag, and the AvA and special events arenas. All mechanisms by which players over the years could test the waters of something different while using the AH3 toys. They keep voting for the Melee arena or something similar in the AvA and WW1 arenas about once a week.

The only thing Hitech has not tried is the Combat Tour of Duty AH version that was never finished. If I'm not mistaken that would have been a mixed AI human 24x7 war arena played as an RPG. It probably would have had all the bridges, roads, trains and depots war fans would have ever wanted as their target for today. I was in the AH3 testing from the beginning in 2014 until it went live last year. I helped test giant AI bomber missions over Europe with massive numbers of AI defenders and a huge continent spanning weather system. I flew escorts, bombers and all the different axis defense forces. Visually it was thrilling and I wish everyone in this audience could have been there. It was like playing WW2.

Then I started listening to vets talk about it who were testing with me. To them it got boring and they preferred real people in the Melee arena. Maybe Hitech can put it up in the Mission tab for you so you can see what I'm talking about, it has an immersion quality to it because of the massive numbers. To this day I don't see many players in the AI missions just like there were not that many during the testing period for AH3.

Instead of pointing fingers at Hitech as being inept at his craft or a selfish egotistical meenie. Help answer the question of why after all of these years do customers keep voting for shooting at each other in the Melee arena over all the other offerings Hitech has coded? Why is it that versus your dream of the perfect AH game? 
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #398 on: June 04, 2017, 03:14:33 PM »
@icth @icth @icth, everyone seems to know better than Hitech how to run his business.  :rofl :rofl

Yeah Ive always avoided telling the guy how to run his business, unlike some.

But my opinion is AH3 would do well on Steam. Its well balanced, fairly easy to learn, can be very exciting, the game "looks" good, its very stable. I think it would do well.
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #399 on: June 04, 2017, 03:16:49 PM »
if it brings players then welcome steam.


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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #400 on: June 04, 2017, 04:55:46 PM »
Why is it that versus your dream of the perfect AH game?

There is a very easy solution for this.  When game goes to steam...... keep 1 OMA arena, and 1 WW2 arena, that of what you speak Bustr, and see where more people are.

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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #401 on: June 05, 2017, 10:50:08 AM »
Cough....guys.... Value is retiring the Greenlight program and introducing a small fee for the Steam Direct program.

I'm not sure how much longer the Greenlight program is going to be active, I assume it'll be retired pretty soon.
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #402 on: June 05, 2017, 11:36:21 AM »
Steam Direct seems like the better option because a developer can put their game instantly

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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #403 on: June 05, 2017, 11:37:53 AM »
Steam Direct seems like the better option because a developer can put their game instantly

I agree.  I will cough up the $100 for HTC.    Just put it back in my subscription account after you make your first $1000.  Lol :)
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Re: I have been considering steam since the beging of april.
« Reply #404 on: June 05, 2017, 11:54:15 AM »
I agree.  I will cough up the $100 for HTC.    Just put it back in my subscription account after you make your first $1000.  Lol :)

Yea the $100 is sorta low, I would much rather see it in the 1 to 2k range, and refunded with payments. 100 was what it took top put your first game on green light.

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