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Offline Frodo

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Some questions
« on: June 10, 2017, 11:58:00 AM »
Why were the plane type and limits not posted for both sides? First time I can remember this happening? Someone even posted about it early.

Axis were allowed 12 109G14s. Allies used 11 Spit 8s and 13 Spit 9s. Is this the reason the min/max numbers were not posted to everyone as it has been done in the past?

101 Allies and 83 Axis?


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Re: Some questions
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2017, 12:19:50 PM »
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2017, 12:28:14 PM »
I'm not surprised.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
Quote from: Frodo on June 10, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Why were the plane type and limits not posted for both sides? First time I can remember this happening? Someone even posted about it early.

Axis were allowed 12 109G14s. Allies used 11 Spit 8s and 13 Spit 9s. Is this the reason the min/max numbers were not posted to everyone as it has been done in the past?

101 Allies and 83 Axis?

The historical information that I researched stated that the G-14 arrived in the Western European theater in July of 1944. That means if we went by history, there would be no BF109G-14s in this event at all. The prevailing fighter variants around the time of the invasion were the G-6 and A-8.

Where there was a definite discrepancy was the number of F-8s used in the event. The first F-8 didn't fly until later in 1944 and the bombing version of the FW190F on hand was more of a converted FW190A-5. This would have been more accurate, so I apologize for that inaccuracy.

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Re: Some questions
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2017, 05:07:00 PM »
Sure go ahead and ditch the G14 then.

So going forward the other sides plane min/max will not be posted?
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2017, 07:06:30 PM »
Quote from: Frodo on June 10, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
So going forward the other sides plane min/max will not be posted?

I'll review the effectiveness of the adjustments to ascertain a final result. If there is a net positive effect, I'll keep it, if not it will be dumped.

Just trying a few new modifications to see weather anything is added to the event. This modifications should not have had any bearing on your game play or planning.

Cheers...
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2017, 07:51:29 PM »
Quote from: swareiam on June 10, 2017, 07:06:30 PM
I'll review the effectiveness of the adjustments to ascertain a final result. If there is a net positive effect, I'll keep it, if not it will be dumped.

Just trying a few new modifications to see weather anything is added to the event. This modifications should not have had any bearing on your game play or planning.

Cheers...

I highly disagree. By making the minimums and maximums known in the event write-up, it ensures the players knows the event was built to be balanced for both sides. This should be SOP for all designs.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2017, 08:03:04 PM »
but brooke wouldn't allow that to happen Devil................
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 08:38:25 PM »
Quote from: SIM on June 10, 2017, 08:03:04 PM
but brooke wouldn't allow that to happen Devil................

Why does FSO have anything to do with Brooke?
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2017, 08:49:16 PM »
Quote from: Devil 505 on June 10, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
I highly disagree. By making the minimums and maximums known in the event write-up, it ensures the players knows the event was built to be balanced for both sides. This should be SOP for all designs.

Not sure where this has any bearing either. If the Luftwaffe was been given more advanced aircraft for the event than were available in the real battle, why even mention it. The Luftwaffe has a bunch of F-8s and enough G-14s to make a difference. So what is the issue now?
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 09:11:23 PM »
Maybe you can list the advantages to game play by leaving out the min/max. I kind of like having an idea of how many of what we might be up against.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2017, 09:16:55 PM »
Quote from: Frodo on June 10, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Why were the plane type and limits not posted for both sides? First time I can remember this happening? Someone even posted about it early.

I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "Posted."  If you mean "mailed to you," probably not.  If you mean "posted" as in "for everyone to read," then yes.  The Plane set has been "posted" since I built the arena last Wednesday.  The Arena Message reads:

Allied Plane Set:

9th USAAF Min/Max RAF 2nd TAC   Min/Max
P-51B     Max 10  Spitfire IX   Max 12
P-47D-11  Max 12  Spitfire VIII Max 8
P-47D-25  Max 8   Typhoon IB    Min 10
P-38J     Max 10  Mosquito VI   Max 10
B-26B     Min 8 > B-25C Min 8 >

Axis Plane Set:

Luftlotte 3       Min/Max
BF109G-6        Unlimited
BF109G-14      Max 12
FW190A-8       Min 18 >
FW190F-8       Min 18 >
JU88A-4         Min 16 >

Seems clear to me.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2017, 09:26:05 PM »
 The Arena Message reads

Arena message? What is that?
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2017, 09:30:04 PM »
Quote from: snakeplissken on June 10, 2017, 09:16:55 PM
I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "Posted."  If you mean "mailed to you," probably not.  If you mean "posted" as in "for everyone to read," then yes.  The Plane set has been "posted" since I built the arena last Wednesday.  The Arena Message reads:

Allied Plane Set:

9th USAAF Min/Max RAF 2nd TAC   Min/Max
P-51B     Max 10  Spitfire IX   Max 12
P-47D-11  Max 12  Spitfire VIII Max 8
P-47D-25  Max 8   Typhoon IB    Min 10
P-38J     Max 10  Mosquito VI   Max 10
B-26B     Min 8 > B-25C Min 8 >

Axis Plane Set:

Luftlotte 3       Min/Max
BF109G-6        Unlimited
BF109G-14      Max 12
FW190A-8       Min 18 >
FW190F-8       Min 18 >
JU88A-4         Min 16 >

Seems clear to me.

The point is, that until this design, all of this info was known the moment the design was made public. It was not withheld until game day.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2017, 09:34:36 PM »
I did not see this, so my bad. It is usually in the objectives but was left out this time? Why?

So the Allies went over the max on both Spit models? Plus being up 18 pilots overall.  :headscratch:

I don't think you can call the 190F8 an advanced aircraft. You do realize it is a heavy slow ground attack version of the 190?

Agree the 190a5 would have been a better choice.

You guys do realize there are 2 sides to FSO?
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