Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?

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TA-152 flight model have been updated over the years, it used to be one of the best plane we had.

Flying the TA152 @ 35k you know why it was perked for so long

It was perked but not sure why.  Its not a great fighter at AH alts.   Certainly against the 190D its outclassed, vs the Yak3, Spit 16, F4U1D etc its toast.   This is why you see 190D's and not TA 152's flying around.   

[bozon]

just read the rest of your post--wow man, are you a gv'er? all the planes you have listed here are flown everyday, and by more than 1 person.
all of these planes are 2nd line favorites to most pilots. just wow, where have you been?

Hangar queen does not mean P39D or P40C level queeness. Players go crazy when P51D and La7 get ENY locked. The prefer to logout while the P51B and La5 are just sitting there. 109G14 and G2 are superb, yet it is pretty much safe to assume that every 109 you meet is a K4. The only reason that G14 sometimes makes an appearance is that someone really likes 109s but cant handle the tatter gun.

If you see an La5 it is safe to assume that it is flown by a vetran and I know to fear them more than any La7. The La5 by the way  is ENY 30, which is crazy and makes it the best perk farmer by a great margin, but it is still a rare plane in the arena.

I do not agree with Bozon

How dare you! 

For Bozon, this means - No Hispano's in his Mossie, and only one engine working 

It is a conspiracy so your 190a8 will almost be able to keep up with me in a climb 

[Vinkman]

... it is pretty much safe to assume that every 109 you meet is a K4. The only reason that G14 sometimes makes an appearance is that someone really likes 109s but can't handle the tatter gun.

Lusche do you have the numbers?  I'd might wager that most 109s are not the K4 by pilot.  Most are G models with the 20mm. I see a lot of G6s out there. and quite a few Fs, with the occasional E model. 

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All LD pilots know the A8 stall speed is 350mph, and over 360mph it does accelerated stall instead.

Mossie otoh always seem to leave some wood to grow when they fly close to 400mph with one or 2 or more engines.

[Lusche]

Lusche do you have the numbers?  I'd might wager that most 109s are not the K4 by pilot.  Most are G models with the 20mm. I see a lot of G6s out there. and quite a few Fs, with the occasional E model.

1st quarter 2017, Bf 109 air-to-air kills+deaths:

109E         377 = 1.4%
109F       2799 = 10.7%
109G-2   2669 = 10.2%
109G-6   3211 = 12.3%
109G-14 5627 = 21.5%
109K     11470 = 43.9%

[atlau]

Total g = k4? Interesting

[Zoney]

It was perked but not sure why.  Its not a great fighter at AH alts.   Certainly against the 190D its outclassed, vs the Yak3, Spit 16, F4U1D etc its toast.   This is why you see 190D's and not TA 152's flying around.   

No, that's not why.

The TA152 is much harder to master.

[Vinkman]

1st quarter 2017, Bf 109 air-to-air kills+deaths:

109E         377 = 1.4%
109F       2799 = 10.7%
109G-2   2669 = 10.2%
109G-6   3211 = 12.3%
109G-14 5627 = 21.5%
109K     11470 = 43.9%

Thanks Lusche. As we say here in Detroit....You the man! 

[nugetx]

See, that is the proof that no matter what other 'claim' to be, the truth is only one.

Late war planes are used the most, because they are 'the best', and if people use 'the best' plane, other have to fly a late war plane also so they have a chance.


Total number of 109 g2 + g6 + g14 = k4


109E early war plane 377 1,4%   lol



Making planes cost perks will solve this, because then everyone has to go through  early --> mid --> late planes.

And if someone say ' oh vets will be killing newbs in spit 1 with a 262', yes but the number of late war planes will be much lower than it is currently, you will not be seeing them constantly.

Make the planes cost perks by their performance and how much people use them.

The most used planes should cost the most, because it means they tend to be 'the best'.


example:

109E         377 = 1.4%     = 0 points
109F       2799 = 10.7%    =  10
109G-2   2669 = 10.2%      =   18
109G-6   3211 = 12.3%       =    26
109G-14 5627 = 21.5%        =  46
109K     11470 = 43.9%          =  100


etc

[Zoney]

Making planes cost perks will solve this, because then everyone has to go through  early --> mid --> late planes

There is nothing to solve. 
You fly what you want and I will fly what I want. 
You have reasons to fly what you want and I have reasons to fly what I want.

This is the "Melee" arena we are talking about.

If you want to match up with like planes then you should:

1.) Open an account
2.) Find a squad that will let you join them
3.) Fly in FSO's or other special events like the 12 hour BOB coming up next
     month

Once you have flown in these Events, i think you will find as most of us do, that your suggestions on how the Melee arena is run is simply without merit in my opinion..

[nugetx]

You fly what you want and I will fly what I want. 

You are making me fly a late war plane, because if you are in a late war plane,  then I have to take a late war plane also or otherwise i don't have a chance.

[Vinkman]

See, that is the proof that no matter what other 'claim' to be, the truth is only one.

Late war planes are used the most, because they are 'the best', and if people use 'the best' plane, other have to fly a late war plane also so they have a chance.


Total number of 109 g2 + g6 + g14 = k4


109E early war plane 377 1,4%   lol



Making planes cost perks will solve this, because then everyone has to go through  early --> mid --> late planes.

And if someone say ' oh vets will be killing newbs in spit 1 with a 262', yes but the number of late war planes will be much lower than it is currently, you will not be seeing them constantly.

Make the planes cost perks by their performance and how much people use them.

The most used planes should cost the most, because it means they tend to be 'the best'.


example:

109E         377 = 1.4%     = 0 points
109F       2799 = 10.7%    =  10
109G-2   2669 = 10.2%      =   18
109G-6   3211 = 12.3%       =    26
109G-14 5627 = 21.5%        =  46
109K     11470 = 43.9%          =  100


etc

Why is it better if people use older less capable planes?  Why would you want to force that?   

[DmonSlyr]

I too, wish that more late war planes were perked initially. It would really keep a lot of boring game play from occurring. Most of the late war planes are the reason why running and ganging has become so prevalent in an un-fun way. You take the time to fly to a base in a more challenging plane, then you got like 5 LA7s/yak3s rolling to get insta 6K alt with 350 speed, to catch any and everything that has approached after it dives. Too many 190Ds flying around 15k running away from any sort of loss advantage. P51Ds do the same thing, but the 50s do really feel weak. More people in midwar planes will create better furballs and more actionable fights. That's the bottom line. 

[nugetx]

Why is it better if people use older less capable planes?  Why would you want to force that?

Bigger variety for gameplay.

bigger variety = people less bored

people bored less = more people play

[BowHTR]

You are making me fly a late war plane, because if you are in a late war plane,  then I have to take a late war plane also or otherwise i don't have a chance.