Bombing and bailing becomming more popular.

[popeye]

Just make the chute static line so it opens immediately.  The bailer then gets to float down from 25k while the interceptor makes gun passes and taunting gestures.   

[oboe]

Play Smarter. Play better. 

That is a pretty good signature line, Vink!

[Mister Fork]

Bomb-n-bail players never are at 25k, they're always at 3-7k above the airfield. Usually, B-26's.

It's a tactic that can be annoying, it's definitely not griefing.  A good cap setup above a field will intercept LLB's well before they have a chance to drop their ord.

What I sometimes find annoying, is that I intercept and they bail immediately knowing that they're about to be blown out of the sky just as I'm about to pounce on them.

But so what. If I'm flying, and a town needs a M3 driver with troops, I'll lawndart and up the M3 rather than return and land my kills.  It's a game bruh. It's a freakin game.

(and it's one we all luv

[The Fugitive]

Play Smarter. Play better. 

I don't play to "play smart", I play to have fun. Maybe my fun is to shoot down buffs. Maybe I dont care if they are empty or full, I just want to shoot them down.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Give the guy the kill for a bailer. He took the time to go after him, he should get something.  Reward him for that time that was wasted by someone who prefers to bail than fight.

[Arlo]

Play funner? Better fun?

[The Fugitive]

oh im having too much fun as it is!   

[icepac]

I prefer to hit buffs before they drop but giving them a free pass home just because they dropped before you could intercept them sends the wrong message.

I make sure anyone who bombs my side eats lead even if I have to fly NOE to their intending landing field and vulch them on landing.

If I'm chasing B29s, I might even kill the dar at 4 fields 15 minutes before they arrive to land............just so I can stalk them NOE over land and not show a dar dot.

[wil3ur]

I'm pretty sure in WWII the Germans allowed the allies to fly home unscathed after they dropped bombs on their population centers because there's no point in shooting down an empty bomber.

Allied pilots also bailed out a lot because it was quicker than flying home.

So +1 for realism!  I love this sim!!!

[Wiley]

I'm pretty sure in WWII the Germans allowed the allies to fly home unscathed after they dropped bombs on their population centers because there's no point in shooting down an empty bomber.

Allied pilots also bailed out a lot because it was quicker than flying home.

So +1 for realism!  I love this sim!!!

Respectfully, they'd shoot that bomber down so it wouldn't come back tomorrow.  There's no reason to shoot down an empty bomber here other than it's there.  With that said, that's the reason most enemy planes get shot down in this game, is because they're there.

Wiley.

[Arlo]

[Zygote404]

Respectfully, they'd shoot that bomber down so it wouldn't come back tomorrow.  There's no reason to shoot down an empty bomber here other than it's there.  With that said, that's the reason most enemy planes get shot down in this game, is because they're there.

Wiley.

Well apart from the 15 minutes+ you just spent getting to 30k alt.   That's a good reason to try to shoot down a bomber other than its "just there". 

Even a Ta152 or G14 has significant issues dealing with 30k+ bombers, its not easy to fly around and keep alt / speed up there and the bombers have the advantage.   

Bailing is poor sportsmanship.  If you didn't want to fly home in that buff then don't up it, if you have the attention span of a gnat go to the closest furball instead.   Frankly if you have spent at least an hour in a buff getting to that sort of alt you can't claim the 10 minutes descent to get home as overly onerous and the more likely reason you're bailing is to annoy the fighter(s) that upped and to avoid having your score damaged by losses.

Edit: Heh the buff I was just intercepting over aa strat bailed while I was posting that   bad Gruesome, gonna bail now too

[Vinkman]

I don't play to "play smart", I play to have fun. Maybe my fun is to shoot down buffs. Maybe I dont care if they are empty or full, I just want to shoot them down.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Give the guy the kill for a bailer. He took the time to go after him, he should get something.  Reward him for that time that was wasted by someone who prefers to bail than fight.

Fugi isn't this circular?  By smarter I mean put some thought into your choices of where and when you up so you can intercept buffs on the way in, instead of reacting to dar circle buffs that have dropped by the time you get to alt and then bail because there is nothing left to do but get shot down.
If what you say is true, that the fun is shooting them down, what good is being credited with kills if you never got close or fired a shot?  Kill credits are a substitute for the fun of shooting down a plane?  And...Kill credits will not stop people from bailing because they already get three deaths, and their score is not effected by whether you get a kill or not.  So kill credits does not give you what you asked for = FUN

[icepac]

If you're defending a strat and you didn't see a dot slowly ooze toward your strat from an enemy rear field, then you should assume it is low.

It takes closer to an hour to climb an super heavily loaded buff to 30,000 feet and it moves forward below 200mph.

If a strat suddenly comes under attack without the raging clue of a dar bar moving toward it over the course of an hour, then you should perform your intercept in the belief that they are low.

This is best done upping a fast and heavily armed fighter and flying it NOE to the strat.

If you generate a dar bar on the way, they will surely bail before you get there.

What you accomplish is often landing hits before they know you are there......if you fly low enough to obscure your icon.

If they bail then, you still get the kills and they are just as dead.

If it turns out they are at 30k, even a LA7 can climb up to 30k.......as long as your NOE trip out to the strat is done at reduced power in the interest of fuel economy.

I've hit bombers at 30k with an I16.........just haven't gotten a good intercept run on a B29 yet in the I16.

You can "catch B29s" that are above 25k feet even with a 110g if you know how to psych the b29 driver into descending for more speed simply by staying relatively close.

I often find them missing control surfaces when I catch up if they don't bail because of the damage/fear.

[The Fugitive]

Fugi isn't this circular?  By smarter I mean put some thought into your choices of where and when you up so you can intercept buffs on the way in, instead of reacting to dar circle buffs that have dropped by the time you get to alt and then bail because there is nothing left to do but get shot down.
If what you say is true, that the fun is shooting them down, what good is being credited with kills if you never got close or fired a shot?  Kill credits are a substitute for the fun of shooting down a plane?  And...Kill credits will not stop people from bailing because they already get three deaths, and their score is not effected by whether you get a kill or not.  So kill credits does not give you what you asked for = FUN

I don't hunt buffs. If I come across then I will certainly go after them, heavy or not. Studying the map, watching for moving far bars, climbing ro stupid alts is not my idea of fun. However it is what some players like to do, also added to the kill count is another thing people like to do. It doesnt matter how the kills are racked up, or the spawn camps and vulch runs wouldn't be so popular.

There are a lot of people who get ticked off when buffs bomb and bail. Give them the kill for at least taking the time and effort of going after the buffs.

[haggerty]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

Methods #2:

Actions undertaken to waste other players' time. For example, when losing in a turn-based game, a player may play as slowly as possible. In other games, they may hide from an enemy when there is no tactical benefit in doing so.

It sure wastes the time of any interceptor in its current state.

+1, most definitely wasting another players time, I go after strat bomb and bailers, I dont really see too many problems with short range bomb and bailers as they are low alt and in proxy range so they don't bail, a player is usually within 2.5k when they are hitting a town or porking a base.  Strat bombers are going full speed at 20+k and its not easy to get to them before they release if they are smart about their approach, and if you don't they are highly likely to bail before you get within proxy range.  I'll stop bothering to record them as it appears HiTech himself considers this to be ok behavior.