Collision Model, How does it work?

[JimmyD3]

I know a little bit about "lag" and the fact that instantaneous feedback to all players is not possible, but I can't understand how the collision model works. A player flies into me, I go down and they keep flying!!??, now if I flew into them I could understand it.

Hitech or Skuzzy, would you be so kind as to give us a "general" explanation of how it works? It maybe all me, I just don't understand it.

[hitech]

Some one point him to the lusche video and thread, then I'll lock the thread.

HiTech

[Lusche]

I know a little bit about "lag" and the fact that instantaneous feedback to all players is not possible, but I can't understand how the collision model works. A player flies into me, I go down and they keep flying!!??, now if I flew into them I could understand it.

Hitech or Skuzzy, would you be so kind as to give us a "general" explanation of how it works? It maybe all me, I just don't understand it.

Your data has to travel to your enemy's computer to display your position on his screen. This takes time, so when you are rendered on his screen, you are already in a slightly different postion on yours. It's the same the other way around. That's why your and the other players 'realities' differ a bit.

Because of this, there can be a collision on one screen and not the other:



This is the moment of collision, as seen by the P-47's pilot. The Mustang runs into his plane - but only on the Mustangs screen. And that's why only the Mustang takes damage.

[Lusche]

Some one point him to the lusche video and thread, then I'll lock the thread.

HiTech

Sorry, was typing my reply while you posted this.

Maybe we should create an elaborate sticky post in Help&Training, with all the pictures & stuff...

[Wiley]

Maybe we should create an elaborate sticky post in Help&Training, with all the pictures & stuff...

^^^ This.  That first explanation post you had Lusche was pretty much perfect.

Wiley.

[flippz]

it don't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just saying the other night when landing seano rams me on landing and I get the collide love the system.  and if I have 25 collidies I may win 1 may being operative 

[Wiley]

it don't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just saying the other night when landing seano rams me on landing and I get the collide love the system.  and if I have 25 collidies I may win 1 may being operative 

I don't ordinarily shout, but...

STOP RUNNING INTO STUFF AND YOU WON'T HAVE COLLISIONS.

Wiley.

[FLS]

it don't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just saying the other night when landing seano rams me on landing and I get the collide love the system.  and if I have 25 collidies I may win 1 may being operative 

It works perfectly. When you have a collision on your computer you get a collision message that you collided. When someone collides with you on their computer you get a collision message that they collided. Two different messages, two different outcomes.  There is no winning or losing collisions. There is only colliding or not colliding. 

It works perfectly even if you don't understand it so no worries.

[Zoney]

I don't ordinarily shout, but...

STOP RUNNING INTO STUFF AND YOU WON'T HAVE COLLISIONS.

Wiley.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[19zac]

It works perfectly. When you have a collision on your computer you get a collision message. This is equally true for all players. There is no winning or losing collisions. There is only colliding or not colliding. 

It works perfectly even if you don't understand it so no worries.

Its hard to say its "perfect". The other night I was trying to avoid someone with more E than me, and they just ran into me from behind. I get the collide, they get the kill on me, and they keep flying like nothing ever happened. I was defenseless there.

But I understand that no two computers can be in the exact same place at the exact same time. The system usually doesn't bother me, but that one time in particular made me a little annoyed.

[FLS]

Its hard to say its "perfect". The other night I was trying to avoid someone with more E than me, and they just ran into me from behind. I get the collide, they get the kill on me, and they keep flying like nothing ever happened. I was defenseless there.

But I understand that no two computers can be in the exact same place at the exact same time. The system usually doesn't bother me, but that one time in particular made me a little annoyed.

Why should they take damage when they missed you?  You probably got annoyed because you mistakenly thought they hit you, you forgot for the moment that we get fooled into thinking we're flying together in the same arena but we're each in similar copies of the same arena.

[Wiley]

Its hard to say its "perfect". The other night I was trying to avoid someone with more E than me, and they just ran into me from behind. I get the collide, they get the kill on me, and they keep flying like nothing ever happened. I was defenseless there.

But I understand that no two computers can be in the exact same place at the exact same time. The system usually doesn't bother me, but that one time in particular made me a little annoyed.

Well, the alternatives are passing near another aircraft and randomly taking damage when you don't hit him, or input lag for everything you do.  Personally, I think it's the best choice of the three.

Wiley.

[The Fugitive]

Its hard to say its "perfect". The other night I was trying to avoid someone with more E than me, and they just ran into me from behind. I get the collide, they get the kill on me, and they keep flying like nothing ever happened. I was defenseless there.

But I understand that no two computers can be in the exact same place at the exact same time. The system usually doesn't bother me, but that one time in particular made me a little annoyed.

This is where your misunderstanding. It is what your computer saw him as hitting your plane. On his computer he missed you by > < that much.

Thats why everyone who KNOWS the system says.......

I don't ordinarily shout, but...

STOP RUNNING INTO STUFF AND YOU WON'T HAVE COLLISIONS.

Wiley.

[Lusche]

and if I have 25 collidies I may win 1 may being operative 

You are still stuck with the "one world" concept.

There is no winning and no losing. There are no dice rolled.


By the way, with all the people claiming "I lose collisions all the time" I really wonder who is that single guy winning them all the time

[Wiley]

You are still stuck with the "one world" concept.

There is no winning and no losing. There are no dice rolled.


By the way, with all the people claiming "I lose collisions all the time" I really wonder who is that single guy winning them all the time

It might be me.  Most times when I collide, it's a wingtip that hits and I get home.

Wiley.