The HO

[Delirium]

You're suggesting people like Junky and I, say, should just hand over knowledge and technique it took hundreds of deaths and countless hours of reading, experimentation and practice to acquire to those who show absolutely no active interest in learning or working, while simultaneously being insulted and disrespected by those with no willingness or clue how to do said work themselves and who are at the same time so vitriolically bitter

Unfortunately, Aces High will need people that will contribute or it will perish.

Your decision, your call.

[Arlo]

 

This about catches it.  About the only thing I'd add is, every single time you merge with a guy, expect him to take the shot.  Plan your merge to avoid it every time.  That way, if he doesn't you're still in good shape, and if he does take the shot, you've done what you can to avoid it and aren't relying on him playing by Marquis of Queensbury gentlemanly chivalric super moral and awesome rules which he may or may not know or care about.

Don't avoid HOing because it's not gentlemanly.  Avoid HOing because it's a bad move outside the circumstances TWCAxew described above.  Even then, it's more of a last resort but better than nothing.  And if through the flow of battle in a furball you wind up face to face with another plane by happenstance/accident, take the shot.

Wiley.

[Randy1]

These ho post are always less than perspicuous.  Next there will be a call for htc to fix the model so no head on damage will occur.

If a cartoon plane turns in a ho direction you shot it.

[horble]

IMHO it's really only worth getting salty about if someone blasts you in the face in a duel. I used to get bent out of shape about it but me getting mad has never changed anything.

[JunkyII]

Way too much typing. All pretense of 'pro-community' pretty much goes down the drain in the first paragraph. The true motive of this verbose exercise can be summed up more concisely:

"I'm pissed at people taking shortcuts in killing me or trying to kill me in Aces High while I took valuable time learning ACM and all because they were too lazy to beg me to teach them ACM and all and they deserve my public derision because that will make the game better .... for me."

No I'm looking to actually to be outflown....higher level of skill leads to better fights....my favorite and most memorable fights I actually lost.

Example TonyJoey, Bruv119 and I were the only ones who showed up for a KOTH one month....I'm at the bottom of that pecking order without a doubt in skill. But TJ and I got a good 1v1 where it turned into a very tight rolling scissors and I got a few pings on him, missing the opportunity I created put me out of position and he made his shot. Was one of the better fights I've had.

What shida is saying about expecting players like him and I to put in effort to train people ACM....you have to understand I'm self taught, I learned from hours of being beat in 1v1s against players like Grizz, SunsFan, DrSpek, Krupnski,....name a good stick and I've probably had a fair share of 1v1s against them....my year in Korea my mornings on my weekend were spent in the DA. At first I was getting beat down, slowly I started winning more and more fights because I watched films and I tried different tactics. Now you'd be hard pressed to find 10 players who are active who can beat me 1v1...call it cocky, I call it all the best sticks left when the side switch time changed.

If a player doesn't want to be better, we can't force them just like we can't force them not to HO....but best believe I'll call it out every time it happens...but don't think I'm not ready to help someone learn to be better, fact is a lot of players think they are pretty good because they score decently.

Even when they miss a HO shot I'll say something, because it's bad for gameplay.

[JunkyII]

IMHO it's really only worth getting salty about if someone blasts you in the face in a duel. I used to get bent out of shape about it but me getting mad has never changed anything.

Horble, I'm not mad...you were on the night I made this post, I won that fight.

[Arlo]

....but best believe I'll call it out every time it happens...

Even when they miss a HO shot I'll say something, because it's bad for gameplay.

Describe how you 'call out' and how what you're doing is 'improving the game.' I've seen venting from many players. Few of them claim they do it for the sake of the game/community and may even apologize in public, later (but then they aren't into attempting to 'shame police' the rest of the community).

[horble]

Horble, I'm not mad...you were on the night I made this post, I won that fight.

Not saying you were, it was more of a general statement.

[FLS]

Describe how you 'call out' and how what you're doing is 'improving the game.' I've seen venting from many players. Few of them claim they do it for the sake of the game/community and may even apologize in public, later (but then they aren't into attempting to 'shame police' the rest of the community).

Virtue signalling.     

Ho's are Ok but not recommended.

[Arlo]

Virtue signalling.     

Ho's are Ok but not recommended.

Roger that. Got a final to finish up for. 

[JunkyII]

Describe how you 'call out' and how what you're doing is 'improving the game.' I've seen venting from many players. Few of them claim they do it for the sake of the game/community and may even apologize in public, later (but then they aren't into attempting to 'shame police' the rest of the community).

How is saying it's OK to HO good for the game? It's not, I'm an a hole and I'm not being nice when I say your stupid for going for HO....sorry maybe it's the Infantrymen Sergeant in me that's makes me not care about the other guys feelings when I'm correcting him for doing something stupid.

That being said, I'm more then willing to help anyone...I may not be approachable but it's whatever, leave the feelings at the door.

[JunkyII]

Not saying you were, it was more of a general statement.

I will actually correct myself, I was a bit upset seeing it was a trainer...not that I actually got HOed because he died but that a trainer saying it or doing it gives it more credibility just because of the tag if anything else.

[FLS]

How is saying it's OK to HO good for the game? It's not, I'm an a hole and I'm not being nice when I say your stupid for going for HO....sorry maybe it's the Infantrymen Sergeant in me that's makes me not care about the other guys feelings when I'm correcting him for doing something stupid.

That being said, I'm more then willing to help anyone...I may not be approachable but it's whatever, leave the feelings at the door.

Please consider the possibility that your opinion on the HO may not be a universal truth and shaming players who disagree with your opinion is actually worse for the game then letting people play the way they want to.

[Arlo]

How is saying it's OK to HO good for the game? It's not, I'm an a hole and I'm not being nice when I say your stupid for going for HO....sorry maybe it's the Infantrymen Sergeant in me that's makes me not care about the other guys feelings when I'm correcting him for doing something stupid.

That being said, I'm more then willing to help anyone...I may not be approachable but it's whatever, leave the feelings at the door.

'Correcting?' Heh.

If it's not hacking or violating TOS then your need to play shame police and vent like an adolescent online is a lot worse for the game than whatever you're imagining warrants the trigger, Sarge.

[The Fugitive]

'Correcting?' Heh.

If it's not hacking or violating TOS then your need to play shame police and vent like an adolescent online is a lot worse for the game than whatever you're imagining warrants the trigger, Sarge.

When I first came to AH from AW that was how the HOing and any other dweebishness was handled. You were put upon by the community. Shaming was a great learning tool. Of course in todays "politically correct" world I guess we couldnt possibly use those tired old tactics.