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Offline MWL

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Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« on: April 23, 2018, 08:46:58 PM »
Hey All,

  Saving my allowance.  I currently have a CH stick, throttle and pedals - with toe brake.  The stick is sloppy and to loose. (I have added rubber bands to increase the resistance).  Back in the day, I 'flew' with a Thrustmaster F4 Pro, which required effort to move the stick in any direction.  That is what I am looking for - effort, as that is how I originally learned to 'fly' in this game.  Currently, I get to many "don't move your stick so fast' messages.

  Is the TM Warthog worth the cost and will it work with CH pedals.  Or do y'all have recommendations?

Regards,
Mole

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 09:09:35 PM »
I just bought the Warthog and love it. Yes it works fine with the CH pedals as well as the CH throttle. The stick is very smooth an has a bit more tension than the CH stick. I like a "stiff" stick as well and this one fits the bill. It took a few weeks to get use to it, but my stick movements are smoothing out and I have gotten rid of most of my nose bounce due to "yanking" the stick around.

I dont think you will be dis appointed if you invest in a warthog.

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 10:02:23 PM »
Check out vkb gunfighter as well. Not to take away from the TMW but vkb and vipril are great sticks.

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2018, 12:10:23 AM »
Yep vkb worth a look
You can change the springs for your own style and preference
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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 11:29:56 AM »
MFG Crosswind pedals will be the last pedals you will ever need to buy.

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 03:02:17 PM »
Lots of options for you right now.  I was a huge CH fan as well, particularly for this game where constant/rapid movements were common, the "light touch" the CH gimbal setup has (not really a gimbal but just to stay consistent) the lightest feel out there IMO.  They were very solid until the company was sold, AkAk worked there and will attest to their drop in QC after the sale.  Still great even after that though, I have a pre sale set of Combat/Throttle/pedals and a post sale Fighterstick.  Fighterstick is ok still so far, others have complained with legit issues though.

New options for you - I have several Warthogs.  The reason for this isn't that I like extra sticks sitting in my collection of HOTAS staring at me, but that the WH CAN fail, with an extremely common failure.  "Sticktion" is the most common issue, a result of their gimbal design being cheap-ish and having poor grease/lubrication on certain things.  This can be remedied fairly easily but requires you to break things down, and be somewhat handy.  The connection plug from stick to base can have issues moving too low as well, a bit of a pita to fix.  These are just 2 of a bunch of pretty common things, and just to advise you, TM's customer service/warranty is complete BS now since they are in France.  Ask anyone online who has dealt with them, 1/2 will report a negative experience.

Now, odds are you'll get at least a few years of trouble free use from the Warthog hotas - for the price of a VKB or Virpil stick, you'll get a stick and throttle with the TM, so there is value in that option is well.  I don't "highly" recommend the TM hotas, but I wouldn't fault anyone for buying one, nor tell them that it's a bad decision, it's fine, just be aware of the negatives going in.

VKB - excellent product, their gimbals are very strongly constructed, and lots of adjustment/capability.  Their pedals for the $ are probably the best bang for the buck out there, and are usually in stock (no waiting period).  VKB sticks come available in small batches, I just bought my 3rd one (I have 2 earlier VKB Gunfighter models I found cheap on Ebay - I look every day), and it came available by chance on their website, VKB Mk2 MCG Pro, and I picked if off Wednesday, and showed up in my hands today, very fast ($100 shipping cost including duty/taxes, and DHL's 44$ rate).

Virpil - excellent as well, their WarBrd desktop gimbal/unit is available for preorder, or you can go with the desktop mount/clamp mounted T50 Mongoose, which I've had a couple of, and have a brand new one right now.  You can mount throttles on their mounts as well, they have screw patterns for a couple, or you can clamp/glue/whatever any throttle type to their mounting plate which goes on one of the desktop mounts.  No pedals, yet, their partner on the WrBrd is known for them (Bauer), and they will for sure be coming.  Throttle is pre order, nice, but costly as well, probably at least $350 or $400 USD after shipping/etc. Just be aware using the T50 requires mounts which means you'll sit much further back from your desk (their are pics online and in the pedals thread in this forum). 

It comes down to money and commitment.  While I was somewhat harsh on the TM stuff, this is based on a lot of online info, and my own experience with 3 WH and 2 Cougars in the last few years.  VKB/Virpil can have issues too, in fact my latest T50 arrived DOA, there was some issue with a plug which I had to pull out and reset after breaking the unit right down, which then allowed the software to recognize and see it.  Virpil was very helpful with this, responded in 2 hours and I had it up and running 100% 2 hours after that.  TM won't do that for you, but that said there is a ton of info online and videos from others that have gone through every single issue with the WH which can help you out, in the event you have any problems (again, odds are you won't not for quite a while and a ton of use, just repeating this to be absolutely clear I'm not being unfair to TM, as I am a high use customer with a bunch of gaming PCs users in our homes). 

You can't go wrong with any of the options, VKB/Virpil will cost, and there will be a time period to wait for delivery. TM WH is typically always available somewhere, sales happen frequently too, but they aren't quite as good (still very good though), nor is the customer service there like VKB or Virpil, especially Virpil's in my experience.  You can use any of these products with your CH pedals if you want to keep those - I'd say if you're buying a new HOTAS, pick up the VKB pedals as they aren't too costly and are very effective and accurate in this game.  Can't go wrong with the MFGs, I have those too, and others, but they cost a lot more $.  If your budget doesn't allow for that, nbd, CH peds will work fine, I used them for 19 years off and on in this game and before that.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 03:48:34 PM by Gman »

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2018, 09:25:12 PM »
Yeah g man that’s exactly what I was gonna type to. Just short on time.
Agree 100%

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2018, 01:20:18 AM »
Thanks all!

  Now, to hide the arriving UPS boxes from die Frau!   :uhoh

Regards,
« Last Edit: April 26, 2018, 01:23:07 AM by MWL »

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 05:28:29 AM »
I just bought the Warthog and love it. Yes it works fine with the CH pedals as well as the CH throttle. The stick is very smooth an has a bit more tension than the CH stick. I like a "stiff" stick as well and this one fits the bill. It took a few weeks to get use to it, but my stick movements are smoothing out and I have gotten rid of most of my nose bounce due to "yanking" the stick around.

I dont think you will be dis appointed if you invest in a warthog.

When the plastic gimbal wears out and you lose the precise center you can replace the base with the Virpil T50 base.

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2018, 07:22:39 AM »
^^ A VKB base is an option too.  The Virpil base uses the same connector (for better or worse) as the Warthog, while you need to install an adapter into the WH stick which replaces the male end of the previous connector with one that will fit the VKB base unit.

IMO the Warthog stick, being metal and usually not one of the typically frequent failure points of the TM Warthog, is still the top of the food chain so far as the actual handle/stick.  VKB/Virpil's are very high quality plastic, with their buttons being a little easier and perhaps even more precise (certainly easier to push) than the Warthog stick, however nothing beats that metal feeling and strength of the WH stick and most of the buttons/hats on that stick. 

IMO this means one of if not the best option is to get a VKB/Virpil base, and run a WH stick.  I'm doing that right now with one of my T50s from Virpil, and once the adapters come back into stock from VKB, I'll be setting up one of my Gunfighter bases to run full time with one of my Warthog sticks. 

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2018, 03:39:20 AM »
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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2018, 08:15:56 AM »
  In the pass Ive  been threw to many Hotas Set ups and money  , CH Producted , Saitek's X45 , x52 with last set up being the x55 Rhinos set up and issues that it came with after  a year of use . To me most important 1 is a good joystick , then rudders , then a throttle and I'm happy with a CH for that task and after doing all the reading i can find and Gman's opinion I finally Ordered the Virpil's VPC MongoosT-50 BE Flightstick . And today I got the notice that it has been shipped .

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2018, 01:51:24 PM »
Congrats Canukk, probably have it by the end of next week based on my experience of them coming in up here in Canada - you're in a larger/faster/more efficient mail area than me too by a business day with Can Post too.

Try it stock, IMO don't switch the cams, the ones from the factory are the best for flight sims right now, but you might want to swap to the lightest springs, IMO it's the best options, lightest spring with stock cam.  Spring swap is simple, cam swap, can be a bit of a pita.

Again, if you are anyone has any questions so far as setting em up, PM me, we can do PM/Skype/Phone/whatever if you don't want to wait for Virpil's help or you can't find answers on their forums.

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Re: Thinking About a New Set Up (Stick, Throttle and Pedals)
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2018, 09:21:46 PM »
Logitech 3D Pro has the weight and resistance your looking for very low price but not many buttons
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